Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:01 pm  

Stu M wrote:

I'll tell you one thing. There is no way in the world that Wigan nil Hudds going down to 12 men after 16 mins, 11 for the last 8 mins and losing a FB after 3 mins. Absolutely no chance. However because its us, its simply because "Huddersfield were toothless". No other team in SL could've done that, not a chance.

I posted a while ago about the arrogance that comes from winning and this post (along with your others on here) pretty much highlights it.

Saints do something - Nobody else in the league could do it, not a chance
Saints lose - They weren't beaten by the better side, it was injuries, poor Saints play, bad decisions etc

You're a great side of course you are, but as I said before the Magic game...stop coming on here and expecting Wigan fans to celebrate you as the greatest side that ever lived. If you want to talk about how good you are and not have people challenge it then stick to RedVee.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:02 pm  

I’m not agreeing with anybody, I’m just simply putting my opinion across of where this rivalry stands. I’ve bagged Saints enough on here and have been called out for it by Saints fans, not happy that I’ll criticise things like Woolf clearly putting blocks on players turning out for the All Stars or my opinion that Woolf has helped drive this culture the game now has, of players milking penalties (ironic that he’s now calling it out) or giving away tactical six agains. I don’t highlight them to drag those debates up again but just to show there us balance there. My eyes tell me week to week they’re still a better side than us and we still have work to do. I think Matt Peet knows this himself and he’ll be working his rocks off to close that gap that’s still there. It’s a smaller gap than it was even on Good Friday and it’s closed by a whopping amount from last year but we’re kidding ourselves if we don’t think there still is one IMO.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:05 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

I posted a while ago about the arrogance that comes from winning and this post (along with your others on here) pretty much highlights it.

Saints do something - Nobody else in the league could do it, not a chance
Saints lose - They weren't beaten by the better side, it was injuries, poor Saints play, bad decisions etc

You're a great side of course you are, but as I said before the Magic game...stop coming on here and expecting Wigan fans to celebrate you as the greatest side that ever lived. If you want to talk about how good you are and not have people challenge it then stick to RedVee.

I don't expect that. What I expected was some respect for the Hudds game in particular rather than Hudds inablility to score. Thats what has got my back up and if you don't agree then fine. Its expected that fans or rival teams will argue, thats the point of the forum isn't it?

I've not stopped posting because people don't agree with me. I love a debate.

I could second your arrogance comment by the fact that all of a sudden (in some Wigan fans eyes) we need to close the gap on them and they are the better team because they won the CC.

If you do win the Grand Final I'll righly laud it.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:08 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Your own coach says there is and we are still the benchmark! Its absolutely laughable that you now don't think there is.

And you don't think you're condescending? I thought you were better than this.

As for what Peet says, you've already addressed this yourself. It's his job to keep a list on things, just as any coach would. Do you expect him to come out and say "we're the best team in the league and have now surpassed Saints"? I'm using this phrase a lot with you recently Stu, but have a word...

Still awaiting your definition of toothless if it's not an inability to score points Stu.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:13 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

And you don't think you're condescending? I thought you were better than this.

As for what Peet says, you've already addressed this yourself. It's his job to keep a list on things, just as any coach would. Do you expect him to come out and say "we're the best team in the league and have now surpassed Saints"? I'm using this phrase a lot with you recently Stu, but have a word...

Still awaiting your definition of toothless if it's not an inability to score points Stu.

Despite the fact that some of your fans also feel there is a gap?

Yes toothless in rugby terms is an inability to score points. Thats not been in question.

Is an inability to score points also not reflective of the oppositions defence? Still waiting for your answer on this one.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:14 pm  

Stu M wrote:

I don't expect that. What I expected was some respect for the Hudds game in particular rather than Hudds inablility to score. Thats what has got my back up and if you don't agree then fine. Its expected that fans or rival teams will argue, thats the point of the forum isn't it?

I've not stopped posting because people don't agree with me. I love a debate.

I could second your arrogance comment by the fact that all of a sudden (in some Wigan fans eyes) we need to close the gap on them and they are the better team because they won the CC.

If you do win the Grand Final I'll righly laud it.

Are you talking about the Wigan fans respecting it or across the game? If it’s the latter, I’ve seen so much praise for Saints post last Friday. Some of the media guys like Matt Shaw and Aaron Bower we’re lauding it and saying it confirmed Saints place as the best of all time. I thought that was OTT but that would go back to the general quality across the sport at the minute in comparison to a decade ago.

If it’s regards to us praising it, I can’t give it loads because I didn’t see it as I was at the Wigan game. Maybe it’s my biased eyes but there seems to have been very little fuss made this week of a guy who broke a 20 year old try scoring record. The game needs to be better at that IMO.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:15 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I’m not agreeing with anybody, I’m just simply putting my opinion across of where this rivalry stands. I’ve bagged Saints enough on here and have been called out for it by Saints fans, not happy that I’ll criticise things like Woolf clearly putting blocks on players turning out for the All Stars or my opinion that Woolf has helped drive this culture the game now has, of players milking penalties (ironic that he’s now calling it out) or giving away tactical six agains. I don’t highlight them to drag those debates up again but just to show there us balance there. My eyes tell me week to week they’re still a better side than us and we still have work to do. I think Matt Peet knows this himself and he’ll be working his rocks off to close that gap that’s still there. It’s a smaller gap than it was even on Good Friday and it’s closed by a whopping amount from last year but we’re kidding ourselves if we don’t think there still is one IMO.

Not criticising your opinion NK. You're entitled to it as Egg is. However it's just an opinion. My opinion is that nothing has been sorted one way or the other and we're the ones with the trophy in the cabinet beating them on the way to winning it, so the only gap to be closed this season so far is them needing to win something. Everything else is just opinion and hot air.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:17 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Despite the fact that some of your fans also feel there is a gap?

Yes toothless in rugby terms is an inability to score points. Thats not been in question.

Is an inability to score points also not reflective of the oppositions defence? Still waiting for your answer on this one.

I gave it to you when I said your Huddersfield performance was outstanding. What exactly are you waiting for?

If our definitions of toothless are the same, why do you object to me using the term in a situation that fits both our definitions?

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:19 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Are you talking about the Wigan fans respecting it or across the game? If it’s the latter, I’ve seen so much praise for Saints post last Friday. Some of the media guys like Matt Shaw and Aaron Bower we’re lauding it and saying it confirmed Saints place as the best of all time. I thought that was OTT but that would go back to the general quality across the sport at the minute in comparison to a decade ago.

If it’s regards to us praising it, I can’t give it loads because I didn’t see it as I was at the Wigan game. Maybe it’s my biased eyes but there seems to have been very little fuss made this week of a guy who broke a 20 year old try scoring record. The game needs to be better at that IMO.

Yeah I meant more on here. We got lots of credit from across the game and I understand your frustration that French's achievements were overlooked in a way due to our win. On any other night his 7 tries would have been way more headline news in the RL press than it was.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:20 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Despite the fact that some of your fans also feel there is a gap?

Yes toothless in rugby terms is an inability to score points. Thats not been in question.

Is an inability to score points also not reflective of the oppositions defence? Still waiting for your answer on this one.

Mate, I don't care if Nelson Mandela thinks it. What relevance is that? There is a gap as I say. You need to win something to close the gap on us having already won one of the 2 major trophies. That's an actual, quantifiable gap, not an hypothetical one based on opinion.