Danny McGuire : Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:51 am  

I was actually quite gutted to see McGuire's performance today. I have met him quite a few times and he is a very down to earth person. He has been one of the best super league players in the past few seasons and i think he will be disappointed in his own performance. I think he has lost a yard of pace over the last few years and i think his confidence has been shot to pieces. I would love him to come out against the kiwi's and have the game of his life, for england and for superleague, but i think his england days are somewhat numbered after todays performance which is a shame.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:57 am  

Feel the same. McGuire deserved his place in the squad and he is a top bloke, but he was involved in nearly everything that went wrong for England. I was so disappointed. I just hope he had an 'off day' as it were, but based on that performance you'd have to go for Tomkins and Eastmond at 6 and 7 next week.

Re: Danny McGuire : Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:57 am  

Hindley#6 wrote:

I was actually quite gutted to see McGuire's performance today. I have met him quite a few times and he is a very down to earth person. He has been one of the best super league players in the past few seasons and i think he will be disappointed in his own performance. I think he has lost a yard of pace over the last few years and i think his confidence has been shot to pieces. I would love him to come out against the kiwi's and have the game of his life, for england and for superleague, but i think his england days are somewhat numbered after todays performance which is a shame.

He is a risk we cannot afford to take IMO. He has never performed in the England/GB jersey. Tomkins and Eastmond showed today more class and skill for England than McGuire has shown in however many years he has been a regular international. He has had 2 games to prove he is worthy of his place, he hasnt proved this, so he has to be dropped. Simple as. Nothing against the lad, as i'm sure he is a very nice young man, but, we need players who can perform.

Re: Danny McGuire : Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:28 am  

Jeff the God of Biscuits wrote:

He is a risk we cannot afford to take IMO. He has never performed in the England/GB jersey. Tomkins and Eastmond showed today more class and skill for England than McGuire has shown in however many years he has been a regular international. He has had 2 games to prove he is worthy of his place, he hasnt proved this, so he has to be dropped. Simple as. Nothing against the lad, as i'm sure he is a very nice young man, but, we need players who can perform.

Tbf is it a leeds thing or what? Sinfield / McGuire / Burrows (to an extent) / Smith etc. have never matched up to the same performance as they shift for leeds every week in internationals. The only leeds players who have are JP and Senior....bar them any Leeds player seems to be pretty average when it comes to internationals. So what is it that makes leeds great? Is it just the team spirit and team cohesion that makes them good, because for me most of their star players look anything but when you take them out a leeds shirt?!!

Re: Danny McGuire : Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:42 am  

andyed-wiganrl wrote:

Tbf is it a leeds thing or what? Sinfield / McGuire / Burrows (to an extent) / Smith etc. have never matched up to the same performance as they shift for leeds every week in internationals. The only leeds players who have are JP and Senior....bar them any Leeds player seems to be pretty average when it comes to internationals. So what is it that makes leeds great? Is it just the team spirit and team cohesion that makes them good, because for me most of their star players look anything but when you take them out a leeds shirt?!!

I think the reason Leeds are such a good team is because they have been surrounded by familiar faces each season for quite a few years now (same as St Helens). This may be the reason why they don't quite live up to expectation when they pull on the England jersey?

I know McGuire has had quite a few chances in the England shirt and never really performed, but i would hate to think it is the end of the road internationally for someone of his calibre seeing as we see much more from him in a Leeds shirt.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:00 am  

As sound as he is off-field, I think McGuire is massively overrated. For me, he is just a support player, much like Myler. Take McGuire out of Burrow's shadow and he has nothing to play with. Today proved that IMO, England looked a much better side when he was subbed.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:32 am  

McGuire seems to be getting all the stick from todays match (well apart from Briscoe) but there were a few more who also never turned up for the match.

The biggest disappointment for me was, I have just found out that Morley actually played ! I never saw him, did he actually play ?

JP was also absent and these two were a major part of why we got 'busted' in the first half.

Crabtree was our best frontrower today and Graham wasn't too bad either.Westwood surprised me, as I didn't expect anything from him, played OK.

If these frontrowers don't 'get a grip' we will lose against NZ this coming weekend.

As Artie Beetson said today "Bring back the biff !"

Re: Danny McGuire : Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:48 am  

Jeff the God of Biscuits wrote:

He is a risk we cannot afford to take IMO. He has never performed in the England/GB jersey. Tomkins and Eastmond showed today more class and skill for England than McGuire has shown in however many years he has been a regular international. He has had 2 games to prove he is worthy of his place, he hasnt proved this, so he has to be dropped. Simple as. Nothing against the lad, as i'm sure he is a very nice young man, but, we need players who can perform.

I don't agree with the bit in bold. He was awesome in the 2004 Tri-Nations and it was a travesty that Nobby dropped him for Harris at Elland Road.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:15 am  

It may be my fevered imagination, but I got the impression that McGuire and Sinfield seemed determined to keep Tomkins out of the action in the first half of yesterday's game. He barely got a pass, and whenever he was waiting as first receiver, he was either used as a dummy or was simply ignored as the ball was turned the other way. Only in the latter stages, as it became painfully obvious that McGuire was out of his depth, was Sam brought to the fore.

Normally I wouldn't believe such a thing, but given the persistant rumours about how the Leeds and St Helens players childishly blanked each other during last year's tournament, I'm beginning to wonder. Could it be they were peeved that their mate Rob hadn't got the nod?

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:19 am  

moonlight flit wrote:

McGuire seems to be getting all the stick from todays match (well apart from Briscoe) but there were a few more who also never turned up for the match.

The biggest disappointment for me was, I have just found out that Morley actually played ! I never saw him, did he actually play ?

JP was also absent and these two were a major part of why we got 'busted' in the first half.

Crabtree was our best frontrower today and Graham wasn't too bad either.Westwood surprised me, as I didn't expect anything from him, played OK.

If these frontrowers don't 'get a grip' we will lose against NZ this coming weekend.

As Artie Beetson said today "Bring back the biff !"