Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:59 pm  

Tricky Dicky wrote:

Thats not quite how it works. He may not be marquee this season but would take up a marquee spot next season.

However rumour has it wire are throwing stupid money his way and he is going there

People are making out that regardless of his wages he’s only gonna count £75k to the cap which is just not true.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:05 pm  

I would absolutely love to have GW back but we need a new coach and at least 1 prop

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:30 pm  

[Gareth] wrote:

I would absolutely love to have GW back but we need a new coach and at least 1 prop

It should always be about the bigger picture.

GW would be good news but behind a pack like we currently have? No thanks.

Priority needs to be a strong pack and to also have a strong squad, if that’s without GW then so be it.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:37 pm  

dany1979 wrote:

It should always be about the bigger picture.

GW would be good news but behind a pack like we currently have? No thanks.

Priority needs to be a strong pack and to also have a strong squad, if that’s without GW then so be it.

Fully agree.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:44 pm  

Can we not have George Williams and a strong pack? Does it have to be one or the other?

Williams is available. A top class forward isn't.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:55 pm  

cadoo wrote:

Can we not have George Williams and a strong pack? Does it have to be one or the other?

Williams is available. A top class forward isn't.

I’d say yes!

But given the option I’d prioritise the forwards and I don’t think we need to bring in a name as such, but we need two forwards that can offer more than what we currently have.

Successful sides have a habit of unearthing players that are not viewed as ‘top class’.

Can we bring in better than Clubb and Clarke? I’d hope so.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:03 pm  

dany1979 wrote:

Can we bring in better than Clubb and Clarke? I’d hope so.

Imagine if we couldn't!!!!!

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:10 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Imagine if we couldn't!!!!!

We may not have to imagine....

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:32 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Imagine if we couldn't!!!!!

Have we really fallen so low? Perhaps Leigh will let us ground share with them.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:46 am  

CobraCraig wrote:

Williams if he becomes one of our top 2 earners will only count for £75k, if not then his full wage will count against the cap (maybe minus some homegrown dispensations which others could clarify). If he is one of our top 2 earners than our current second highest earner would move out of the marquee spot and full wage count against the cap so it’s not as simple as saying GW will only count for £75k because that’s not true.

This is nonsense and not how the marquee rule works within the salary cap. Where a player sits in “the earning order has no baring on whether a player is labelled as “marquee” or not. A team has to (openly, though there is some interpretation on what openly actually means) declare who their marquees are at the point of a contract being signed. Marquee status can be “turned off” during the length of the contract but that’s it.

Imagine an example where Williams signs for 150k and Hastings is on 200k. The marquee rule “effective saving” on Hastings is 50k (non home grown marquee is capped to 150k), where as the Williams effective saving is 75k (home grown marquee capped at 75k). Clearly, despite Hastings earning more, it would be more beneficial to Wigan to have Williams as a marquee rather than Hastings - thus why Williams doesn’t need to be in “the top two earners” to only count for 75k cap space

Similarly, since George Burgess was a marquee signing, we know that Wigan currently have an open slot available on the Marquee rule (or not using the second marquee, if you prefer). I am happy to be directed otherwise, but I haven’t seen any other declaration from Wigan of anyone else taking that slot. So if Wigan were to sign tomorrow, Wigan would need to be 75k under the cap to register Williams, assuming he was declared as a marquee registration. It’s also entirely possible he can be registered without the marquee, but that would be using the usual cap value methods, based on his salary and other factors (there are no home grown dispensations per say on an individual salary any more, it is instead a bonus up to 50k over the cap limit based on the number of players homegrown playing in SL and the NRL).