Re: Edwards provides clarity : Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:28 am  

MelbourneWarrior wrote:

Adam Reynold is definitely out of our reach both financially and career-wise. He’s on the verge of origin. He isn’t going to take up a starting spot in a top 4 team, the possibility of an origin place and take an enormous pay cut.

Chad Townsend then

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:24 am  

Orrell Lad wrote:

I have had a think about this since my last post and the term sloppiness is quite broad, so I’ve tried to expand a little.

Lack of innovation & vision
Fans taken for granted
Half ar$ed
No eye for detail
No long term plan
No aspiration to define the meaning of “the best”
Secretive
Stale
Unfocused
Disconnected

I hate having to think about our club in this way. We have no divine right to win trophies but we have every right to demand that our club is striving to be the best it can be. I just feel like we’ve hit a point where all the chickens are coming home to roost and dithering is only going to see things spiral downwards.

Not even having the SL trophy in the cabinet can paper over these cracks.

"Success starts in the front office"
Jack Gibson I believe, may be wrong, but you can't argue with the sentiment.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:25 am  

post wrote:

Chad Townsend then

He is worse than Sam Powell so is Aiden Sezer who is probably your next suggestion.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:08 am  

Orrell Lad wrote:

I have had a think about this since my last post and the term sloppiness is quite broad, so I’ve tried to expand a little.

Lack of innovation & vision
Fans taken for granted
Half ar$ed
No eye for detail
No long term plan
No aspiration to define the meaning of “the best”
Secretive
Stale
Unfocused
Disconnected

I hate having to think about our club in this way. We have no divine right to win trophies but we have every right to demand that our club is striving to be the best it can be. I just feel like we’ve hit a point where all the chickens are coming home to roost and dithering is only going to see things spiral downwards.

Not even having the SL trophy in the cabinet can paper over these cracks.

There are aspects of this that I agree with and many that I don’t.
Lack of innovation and vision I disagree with wholeheartedly. We played a SL in Sydney, we’re playing in Barcelona, we took a game to London. We have new corporate sponsors and have Central Park and Robin Park. There is very obvious innovation and strategic vision.
Fans taken for granted and half ar5ed? I’m not sure what that means?

I see things differently I suppose. Since IL bought the club he’s been incredible for us. It was he that identified and brought in Madge and that’s when the fortunes of the club really turned round for the better. His policy of investing in youth has clearly paid off.
It was time for Shaun Wane to go. We enjoyed success but as with most things, he reached the end of his shelf life.
Make no mistake about it, Edwards was nailed on to be our next coach. There was no smoke and mirrors or publicity stunt, he was our next coach and the whole circus around him is entirely his doing. The chairman is not at fault, regardless of what has been said publicly.
Still, we need to freshen things up. Starting immediately with the appointment of our new coach (hopefully Lammy) and some clarity around succession planning.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:18 am  

hatty wrote:

I think the new GDPR regulations stopped a lot of this from happening.

Quite a big impact, there are Premier League clubs that don't handle this well or understand with large budgets. The chances of Wigan getting this right on their own is slim.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:30 am  

Jukesays wrote:

I'm often accused or perceived as a happy clapper.
Earlier I alluded to a post is made a month or so ago and this is exactly what I meant.

Our direction off the field commercially has gone.
I've not spoke to Simon collinson for a couple of years (about a year after he left). I never asked him "why" and assumed it was his own decision and new challenges.
When I found out that Paul Macloud had moved on it shocked me, again he will have his own reasons and I'm all for new challenges etc and people looking after their own interests and their own lives and careers.

What I ask myself is why aren't we creating those challenges internally for these people?
It's not like were at the pinnacle of sports marketing and the only way is down, the opportunities are almost never ending.
So why did these people feel the need to move on?

Who's replaced them?
What are their qualifications and aspirations?

That's what I'm more worried about.
Not throwing ridiculous money at 30 somethings for a quick fix because we've lost a few games after losing 6/7/8 players to injuries.

If we don't commercially get the business right in that area then the money to fund the youth seeystem will be the next thing to go, and guess what, at that point we will have to start spending money on short term fixes because we won't have an option.
That's why the youth systzem way is the right way.
That's why the commercial and marketing positions and getting it right are so important and my big concern.

I believe Geoff Warburton now also heads up Marketing as well as his other role. Collinson & MacLeod both left I believe due to lack of marketing budget and also for career advancement

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:59 am  

bazdev wrote:

He is worse than Sam Powell so is Aiden Sezer who is probably your next suggestion.

Just being silly now. Townsend is a good NRL half who would improve us no end. But why would he want to leave the Sharks to come to England? And speaking of the Sharks, why didn't we put in for Ricky Leutele? Always admired him,and never thought he'd leave the NRL< then found iut he was going to Toronto!

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:15 am  

bazdev wrote:

He is worse than Sam Powell so is Aiden Sezer who is probably your next suggestion.

Chad Townsend is a far better player than Powell.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:28 am  

We should sign Dallin Watene-Zelezniak and move Zak to centres, Release Sarginson and train Hankinson up for the second row

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:56 am  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

Chad Townsend is a far better player than Powell.

Completely agree, Powell couldn’t lace his boots.