Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 7:34 am  

post wrote:

Off field investments? Like the Wollongong and Millwall jaunts? So it’s right he gets stuck then would you agree?

It’s great he puts his own money in, but so does every other owner of every sporting team worldwide with few exceptions.

The trip to Australia made money for the club, just not as much as was hoped. All the club costs (including Hull FC) were met by the Wollongong / Sydney Tourism Board. The Millwall trip resulted in new corporate sponsorship so again, brought money in and was not funded out of his own pocket. He’s also set up the Wigan Warriors Business Club.
The off field investments were in the total upgrade of training facilities, the Central Park Academy and now the investment at Robin Park. He clearly focused on building the infrastructure of the club. You can’t build a house on sand, it needs a solid foundation.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 7:36 am  

post wrote:

I reckon Ganson was on £20k and Hamlin £70k, that’s £90k plus anything else we had left over.

You think that only Flanagan would come mid season? If we wanted Demetriou or Morgan they’d be released straight away, if it were any of the others then a transfer fee would need to be paid.

So if your reckoning is correct as both players were paid for about half their contract that would give us 45k to spend this year.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 8:54 am  

Trainman wrote:

So if your reckoning is correct as both players were paid for about half their contract that would give us 45k to spend this year.

So then you’d still get a £90k player then? I’m sure someone could enlighten me.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 9:05 am  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

The trip to Australia made money for the club, just not as much as was hoped. All the club costs (including Hull FC) were met by the Wollongong / Sydney Tourism Board. The Millwall trip resulted in new corporate sponsorship so again, brought money in and was not funded out of his own pocket. He’s also set up the Wigan Warriors Business Club.
The off field investments were in the total upgrade of training facilities, the Central Park Academy and now the investment at Robin Park. He clearly focused on building the infrastructure of the club. You can’t build a house on sand, it needs a solid foundation.

I’m not turning this into a ‘Everything Lenagan has ever done has been brilliant or rubbish’ thread and everyone chooses sides.

Ian Lenagan said Lam is the front runner for the job, anyone who believes Lam has done enough to be in the running for the job must be deluded because he has failed spectacularly regardless of injuries and squad quality.

The statement of Lenagan not taking games on the road again because he received negative feedback is tough titties Ian, we are Wigan and should play out home games at home. We have the Magic Weekend for new territory to be explored, though it’s nice to scope out new venues in sunny places and it looks good to play in those venues, the fact of the matter is we aren’t a franchise. No wonder crowd figures are in free fall.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 9:33 am  

post wrote: So then you’d still get a £90k player then? I’m sure someone could enlighten me. All there for you in black and white. https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/ ... html#p=273

post wrote: So then you’d still get a £90k player then? I’m sure someone could enlighten me. All there for you in black and white. https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/ ... html#p=273

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 10:04 am  

post wrote:

I’m not turning this into a ‘Everything Lenagan has ever done has been brilliant or rubbish’ thread and everyone chooses sides.

Ian Lenagan said Lam is the front runner for the job, anyone who believes Lam has done enough to be in the running for the job must be deluded because he has failed spectacularly regardless of injuries and squad quality.

The statement of Lenagan not taking games on the road again because he received negative feedback is tough titties Ian, we are Wigan and should play out home games at home. We have the Magic Weekend for new territory to be explored, though it’s nice to scope out new venues in sunny places and it looks good to play in those venues, the fact of the matter is we aren’t a franchise. No wonder crowd figures are in free fall.

You can’t just say “regardless of injuries and squad quality”. Pep Guardiola wouldn’t win the premier league with Wigan Athletic when he’s only been able to name the same side on two occasions. That goes for Holbrook, Price etc. Injuries and squad quality are hugely decisive factors in how a team performs...

I’d give him a two/three year deal, make significant changes to the squad and judge him next year. If we’re still not competing, fair enough. But this year was always about transition.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 10:49 am  

WARRIOR5 wrote:

You can’t just say “regardless of injuries and squad quality”. Pep Guardiola wouldn’t win the premier league with Wigan Athletic when he’s only been able to name the same side on two occasions. That goes for Holbrook, Price etc. Injuries and squad quality are hugely decisive factors in how a team performs...

I’d give him a two/three year deal, make significant changes to the squad and judge him next year. If we’re still not competing, fair enough. But this year was always about transition.

Pep Guardiola wouldn’t win the Prem with Wigan but he’d have them playing good football and looking organised within a month regardless of the squad, let’s not forget these are full time professional players who already know how to play rugby league and many are internationals. Anyone would think we were Doncaster with what dross people are willing to accept.

You can only hide behind transition for so long, the honeymoon period is over and we look like a team which is badly coached like Saints were under Cunningham. Cunningham may have a wealth of knowledge, he may ha e talked the talk and so on but ultimately the team failed massively on the pitch and it was down to him.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 11:34 am  

In Cunningham's defence, Saints were robbed in 3 out of the 4 semi finals he took them to.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 11:34 am  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

The trip to Australia made money for the club, just not as much as was hoped. All the club costs (including Hull FC) were met by the Wollongong / Sydney Tourism Board. The Millwall trip resulted in new corporate sponsorship so again, brought money in and was not funded out of his own pocket. He’s also set up the Wigan Warriors Business Club.
The off field investments were in the total upgrade of training facilities, the Central Park Academy and now the investment at Robin Park. He clearly focused on building the infrastructure of the club. You can’t build a house on sand, it needs a solid foundation.

The money before the trip being mentioned was utter nonsense,it simply wasn’t going to happen unless the Aussies came out in their many thousands which really was a foolish thing to hope for.

The trip I’ve no doubt made a very small profit but at what cost?hea has clearly alienated a large portion of the fan base who have just said over the years up yours and found other things to spend their hard earned cash and leisure time on,you keep treating people poorly they simply won’t come back,it’s clear that yet again the season tickets sales have slumped again.

This was lenegans folly and he has to take it on the chin,it was inexcusable and I suspect there will be yet again less season tickets sold this off season.

He will in due course sell Orrell I’d assume to offset the cost of robin park and once that goes the club won’t have any bricks and mortar assets I hope he knows what he’s doing there.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 11:37 am  

Injuries obviously play a part, but I still think the team should be more organised and structured (especially in defence) than it currently is.

I just don't see anything that makes me think Lam is the right guy for this job.

Imo we should be going all out to bring Flanagan over, as his speciality is all about turning a rag tag bunch into a well oiled machine. FWIW i do think the majority of the players we've got all have a couple levels of improvement in them.