Re: Deluded Lenagan : Tue May 21, 2019 10:37 pm  

I said "last 6 years".

2012: 16045
2013: 14544
2014: 14102
2015: 13362
2016: 13499
2017: 13668
2018: 11708

Suggests that over 4,000 have voted with their feet.

For a club that pays minimal cost for a stadium, has sold Tompkins x2 & Bateman to NRL clubs & RU, has been involved in most of the Grand Finals, two challenge cup finals, a few WCC's etc, its pretty shocking that they operate at a loss.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Tue May 21, 2019 10:45 pm  

muttywhitedog wrote:

I said "last 6 years".

2012: 16045
2013: 14544
2014: 14102
2015: 13362
2016: 13499
2017: 13668
2018: 11708

Suggests that over 4,000 have voted with their feet.

For a club that pays minimal cost for a stadium, has sold Tompkins x2 & Bateman to NRL clubs & RU, has been involved in most of the Grand Finals, two challenge cup finals, a few WCC's etc, its pretty shocking that they operate at a loss.

The losses have not come from falling attendances but more from off field investments. I’d say the falling attendances are hugely significant but more to do the dull style of rugby that got us the trophies. IL said as much himself when he said his brief to Waney was to win and that attractive rugby was less important. Fans have said they want more attractive rugby and the chairman has acted on it but fans are now not prepared to wait for the transition.
He can’t win!

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Tue May 21, 2019 10:47 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

After the debacle of Barcelona which bright spark at the club thought the time was right for IL to state that Lam is favourite for the coaching job?

To be fair the comment was made during the meet and greet the day before the game.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Tue May 21, 2019 11:09 pm  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

To be fair the comment was made during the meet and greet the day before the game.

The players I believe do not rate Lam. I got that 3rd hand so to speak over the weekend but trust the source. I want Lam to succeed but honestly don't think he has the ability to deliver. We are a total shambles at the moment on and off the pitch. I cannot recall one piece of good news this season.
Hastings wanted another week to consider our offer. We should have told him to forget it and move on the next target. Just another example for me of non existent leadership.
The performance on Saturday was like watching a horror story. Totally and utterly useless. Lam for me just doesn't cut the mustard.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 12:26 am  

If you were in Hastings' shoes, would you come to Wigan?

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 5:42 am  

In terms of squad quality, I see many similarities between us an Man Utd in Fergie's last season. He left just as the squad he had developed was about to start falling apart due to age etc. They replaced top drawer players with average joes and the odd big name who never fitted in.

The squad needs a wholesale clear-out, but there needs to be an acknowledgement from the owner that we will not be competing for trophies for a couple of years and then price his offering accordingly. Fans want value for money, be that wins and trophies, or entertaining games. At the moment, we are getting neither.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 6:25 am  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

I wouldn’t take any of these above Lam.

What has Lam done to make him still eligible for the job?

I see:

-15 games in, 4 points off the bottom and 4 points off sixth
-9 games lost already
-A lacklustre attack which seems to have no structure or idea what to do
-Weak defence which sees us on a -9 points difference with a high amounts of soft tries scored against us this season
-Poor disengaged attitude from the players
-Loss of aggression and competitive edge which Madge installed and Wane built upon


It baffles me how he can even be considered.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 6:41 am  

With due respect to both London and Leeds it’s a good job they’re doing their best to try and get relegated as all i see a team bereft of ideas plodding round the park doing very little..if this is the best Lam can come up with then it’s time to go,half a season was the litmus test he’s here now and he simply hasn’t got to grasp with the task in hand.

So what if he’s had injuries every team bar saints have had personnel out at times it’s prt and parcel of the game,yes he lost Bateman a vital cog in the machine but he should have sorted that by now,most fans would give him more time if there was any clue to what progression there has been so far but very few can see it,baffling attack and weak defence it’s a recipe for disaster

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 7:11 am  

Trainman wrote:

And out of that lot the only one that could/would come in mid season is Flanagan. Marquee spot is irrelevant unless we have the £150k cap space to spend in the first place. I’m only guessing but Hamlin & Ganson would give us 40 - 50k at best when you take into account what they have already been paid this season.

I reckon Ganson was on £20k and Hamlin £70k, that’s £90k plus anything else we had left over.

You think that only Flanagan would come mid season? If we wanted Demetriou or Morgan they’d be released straight away, if it were any of the others then a transfer fee would need to be paid.

Re: Deluded Lenagan : Wed May 22, 2019 7:15 am  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

The losses have not come from falling attendances but more from off field investments. I’d say the falling attendances are hugely significant but more to do the dull style of rugby that got us the trophies. IL said as much himself when he said his brief to Waney was to win and that attractive rugby was less important. Fans have said they want more attractive rugby and the chairman has acted on it but fans are now not prepared to wait for the transition.
He can’t win!

Off field investments? Like the Wollongong and Millwall jaunts? So it’s right he gets stuck then would you agree?

It’s great he puts his own money in, but so does every other owner of every sporting team worldwide with few exceptions.