Re: The blunt truth : Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:34 pm  

We could learn a lot from the way a RU scrum half passes the ball from base of scrum or the ruck. They have a lot less room but deliver the ball from the floor. Pains me to say it though.

Re: The blunt truth : Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:15 pm  

post wrote:

Wow. Now that does clear things up.

For people who think it’s been a good season, the above post shows why some of us don’t think it has been despite all the off field palaver.

Some of the players have worked their socks off but I think it’s a coaching and management issue at the heart of all this.

Management - Have we the right players? Have I picked the right coach?

Coaching - Are they motivated enough? Have we the right tactics to beat the opposition?

Regardless of the inability to get up for the big games, people also seem to be forgetting that we finished 16 points from both top AND bottom of the league, so unfortunately on this occasion, finishing second is nothing to get excited about for me when you take a look at the total collapse of the ready of the league.

Re: The blunt truth : Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:30 pm  

endoman wrote:

We could learn a lot from the way a RU scrum half passes the ball from base of scrum or the ruck. They have a lot less room but deliver the ball from the floor. Pains me to say it though.

Surely you don't mean that diving caper ?

Re: The blunt truth : Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:33 am  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Partington is only 21 years old and a prop. Give him time. Props only come into their own when they're around 29/30. See how be develops before writing him off just yet.

Attitude wise, and work rate, I cant fault the lad, I think a lot of senior pro's have been shown up by him in that regard. However, my point stands, it doesn't matter how old he is, he's not going to grow anymore than he already is at 21 Years Old, and in my opinion he's just not physically big enough to be a top class prop forward. Looking at the modern game now, even more so in the NRL, most of the best prop forwards are at least 6ft 2, and a lot heavier than Partrington, the only exception to the rule really is Thompson at Saints, who is 6ft, but makes up for it with how athletic he is and how much pace he has for a number 10. You can have all the heart in the world, but its about how much go forward he's going to give us and if he's going to punch holes in other teams middles, the answer unfortunately is that he isn't.

Re: The blunt truth : Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:29 pm  

fleabag wrote: Surely you don't mean that diving caper ? Nope, just the pass off the floor, without taking a step or two, there's no disguise in which direction it's going to go though. This sort of thing. I've noticed many of our passes lack accuracy and mean the receiver is having to readjust their line, we used to have the reciever with hands up ready to catch, this seems less common this season. http://www.prorugbycoach.com/tutorial/scrum-half-pass-technique/

fleabag wrote: Surely you don't mean that diving caper ? Nope, just the pass off the floor, without taking a step or two, there's no disguise in which direction it's going to go though. This sort of thing. I've noticed many of our passes lack accuracy and mean the receiver is having to readjust their line, we used to have the reciever with hands up ready to catch, this seems less common this season. http://www.prorugbycoach.com/tutorial/scrum-half-pass-technique/

Re: The blunt truth : Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:58 pm  

Partington could grow into a Paul Gallen type of player if you look at Gallen when he first broke into first grade. He does need to find some yardage but hes young. Your right about size and pace but hes a decent ball player with loads of aggression to balance that up. Couple of pre seasons should see him build up quite a bit. I'm still not sure how he will go but you never are with young props. I do know if all the pack showed the same heart we would not be able to moan about lack of effort.

Re: The blunt truth : Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:34 pm  

That Mon wrote:

Partington could grow into a Paul Gallen type of player if you look at Gallen when he first broke into first grade. He does need to find some yardage but hes young. Your right about size and pace but hes a decent ball player with loads of aggression to balance that up. Couple of pre seasons should see him build up quite a bit. I'm still not sure how he will go but you never are with young props. I do know if all the pack showed the same heart we would not be able to moan about lack of effort.

Gallen came through as an aggressive running SR forward before becoming one of the best 13s oner the past 20 years. Partington doesn't play like him in the slightest, and to be 'blunt' I'd be surprised if Partington is anything like close to the player Gallen was.

Re: The blunt truth : Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:04 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Gallen came through as an aggressive running SR forward before becoming one of the best 13s oner the past 20 years. Partington doesn't play like him in the slightest, and to be 'blunt' I'd be surprised if Partington is anything like close to the player Gallen was.

People can compare any young player with any other legendary player, doesn’t mean they’ll be anything like.

I’m not convinced by Partington, either makes no yards or falls over before the defensive line. I’d love us to put the feelers out with Ryan Sutton, he’s improved massively and he’s just what we need.

Re: The blunt truth : Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:13 pm  

post wrote:

People can compare any young player with any other legendary player, doesn’t mean they’ll be anything like.

I’m not convinced by Partington, either makes no yards or falls over before the defensive line. I’d love us to put the feelers out with Ryan Sutton, he’s improved massively and he’s just what we need.

I just find it ridiculous. Honestly. So often I see a young player compared to one of the all time greats. Even when Gallen was coming through he was considerably better and a completely different player.

Anyway; Harry Smith, who’s he most like? Cronk, Thurston or perhaps Joey Johns?
To me he’s more of a young Wally Lewis.

Re: The blunt truth : Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:40 pm  

endoman wrote: Nope, just the pass off the floor, without taking a step or two, there's no disguise in which direction it's going to go though. This sort of thing. I've noticed many of our passes lack accuracy and mean the receiver is having to readjust their line, we used to have the reciever with hands up ready to catch, this seems less common this season. http://www.prorugbycoach.com/tutorial/scrum-half-pass-technique/ What always amazes me is the time that it takes to play the ball. I assume that the defensive line can advance once the ball is placed on the ground because half the time the defenders are meeting the ball carrier at the advantage line. Surely the PTB and pass to the runner could be tightened up.

endoman wrote: Nope, just the pass off the floor, without taking a step or two, there's no disguise in which direction it's going to go though. This sort of thing. I've noticed many of our passes lack accuracy and mean the receiver is having to readjust their line, we used to have the reciever with hands up ready to catch, this seems less common this season. http://www.prorugbycoach.com/tutorial/scrum-half-pass-technique/ What always amazes me is the time that it takes to play the ball. I assume that the defensive line can advance once the ball is placed on the ground because half the time the defenders are meeting the ball carrier at the advantage line. Surely the PTB and pass to the runner could be tightened up.