Re: Fastest player : Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:32 pm  

I was the fastest player over 100m in every team I played in, including some backs who ended up playing SL/Champ, but it counted for precisely sod all most of the time because in rugby you seldom get a long distance to just run unhindered. Good for interceptions, kick returns, chasing down opposition breaks and supporting your own breaks but that's only a small part of wing play, especially in tight games. Far more interested in his speed over 10 metres, the speed he can get up and play the ball, the force he can generate from scoots.

Re: Fastest player : Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:55 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

Wigan: Joe Burgess is the fastest player in the squad

The_Enforcer: Joe Burgess has lost his speed

Everyone:

Because he is the fastest in the squad (if you believe what the club are saying) does not mean he has not lost his speed.

Lost his speed = Not as fast as he used to be.

Re: Fastest player : Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:02 pm  

Mackinson wouldn't be jack poop if the corner flags had never been taken out of play, Nothing more than a showboater

Re: Fastest player : Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:13 am  

The Whiffy Kipper wrote:

Mackinson wouldn't be jack poop if the corner flags had never been taken out of play, Nothing more than a showboater

I like Makinson, he’s a very good player but it’ll be interesting to see if him and a number of other Saints players can maintain that level they reached under Holbrook. He dragged every bit of talent out of them and whilst Saints fans would have you believe they have superstars from 1-17, the facts are that for the majority of their careers a number of those lads have been average and plodded along. The new coach has made a good impression with Tonga and has got them playing for each other, so they may well continue to play at those levels.

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:08 am  

The_Enforcer wrote:

Because he is the fastest in the squad (if you believe what the club are saying) does not mean he has not lost his speed.

Lost his speed = Not as fast as he used to be.

plus Gilly is injured, Manfredi not 100 percent and French must have still been in Aus

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:40 am  

Pieman wrote:

manfredi and johnstone are better than makinson for me, they have both been very unlucky with injuries

Johnstone better than Makinson? Wow.

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:44 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

I like Makinson, he’s a very good player but it’ll be interesting to see if him and a number of other Saints players can maintain that level they reached under Holbrook. He dragged every bit of talent out of them and whilst Saints fans would have you believe they have superstars from 1-17, the facts are that for the majority of their careers a number of those lads have been average and plodded along. The new coach has made a good impression with Tonga and has got them playing for each other, so they may well continue to play at those levels.

I think Holbrook did well coaching Makinson to a match-winning hat-trick against NZ, with a supreme try saving tackle thrown in.

England didn't miss him at all in the autumn.

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:58 am  

At the moment you’d have to say Makinson is the best British winger. I can’t see anyone else good enough to take that mantle presently. Burgess and Manfredi were up there, probably ahead of Makinson once upon a time but form and injuries respectively put Makinson ahead.

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:35 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

I think Holbrook did well coaching Makinson to a match-winning hat-trick against NZ, with a supreme try saving tackle thrown in.

England didn't miss him at all in the autumn.

Go on, for the sake of discussion, I'll bite. Given he did those things under Holbrook's tenure I would argue that he did coach him to those levels and feats. Unless,of course, you're arguing that Holbrook had no impact on Makinson and it was all down to the coaching he got from Bennett and he wouldn't have been at the standard necessary without said coaching?

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:56 pm  

Makinson is a golden boot winner.

Burgess cant defend for toffee