Re: Hastings : Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:02 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

There's a difference between not celebrating and pushing your own players away. What the hell is wrong with you? This is good enough for Wigan now? Mate, don't complain about anything else if this is good enough for you. Be happy that Salford are getting respect.

Pushing his own players away?

Is that worse than beating three Salford players on his way to score?

Re: Hastings : Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:07 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

It seems odd that the first game this season in which we see very little of Jackson Hastings is during his return to Salford.

But let's be honest, he wasn't the only one who went missing.

It was a poop show all round.

Apart from Havard and Farrell not a lot to like particularly in the 2nd half
2 losses from 3 away games and I wouldn’t be surprised to see that trend continue

Re: Hastings : Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:08 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Pushing his own players away?

Is that worse than beating three Salford players on his way to score?

Let's ignore that bit though

Re: Hastings : Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:15 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

There's a difference between not celebrating and pushing your own players away. What the hell is wrong with you? This is good enough for Wigan now? Mate, don't complain about anything else if this is good enough for you. Be happy that Salford are getting respect.

Again, plenty of players push their team mates away. The point is he still scored. I don't really care what he does after that.

Re: Hastings : Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:25 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

Well apparently our main playmaker being more concerned with the opposition is ok with you so I'm assuming you must be ok with us "parking the bus".

A serious question: Do you believe that attitude and mental strength are important at this level?

I've since hundreds of players in all sports do a similar thing, all of them are playing the game at an infinitely higher level than the likes of you and me ever will.

Now I'm going to be quite specific here so instead of of throwing headline grabbing statements out because your upset we lost and looking for someone to blame, try and answer them.

In what way did Hastings reaction after scoring affect anything about our performance when after 58mins or so we were still 14-2 up and should have been further.

When Powell scores hes 3rd man in celebrating

How did he alone specifically "Park the Bus"?
Is that not a team thing, a coaching thing?


Did every other Wigan player at 58mins turn round and say you know what, hastings not celebrating 40 minutes ago really peed me off so I'm going to miss one on tackles (harry smith) and basically lose all cohesion/shape etc.

Yes I do believe mental strength as a massive part to play, but just saying it and the aiming it at one thing and making it a direct correlation without any FACTS to support it doesnt make it correct.

Your braised off, trust me so am I, but hastings showing respect (I think that's how an earlier poster put it) and at the end of the game, when nothing else can be done etc showing respect to the Salford fans etc who he clearly has time for and understandably, had no bearing on his desire to win that game.

Re: Hastings : Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:36 pm  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8HQhV3ujyg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8HQhV3ujyg

Re: Hastings : Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:48 pm  

In fact
How did you like our coach laughing and joking with the Salford coach immediately after the game?

Re: Hastings : Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:50 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

I've since hundreds of players in all sports do a similar thing, all of them are playing the game at an infinitely higher level than the likes of you and me ever will.

Now I'm going to be quite specific here so instead of of throwing headline grabbing statements out because your upset we lost and looking for someone to blame, try and answer them.

In what way did Hastings reaction after scoring affect anything about our performance when after 58mins or so we were still 14-2 up and should have been further.

When Powell scores hes 3rd man in celebrating

How did he specifically "Park the Bus"?
What does tham mean?

Did every other Wigan player at 58mins turn round and say you know what, hastings not celebrating 40 minutes ago really peed me off so I'm going to miss one on tackles (harry smith) and basically lose all cohesion/shape etc.

Yes I do believe mental strength as a massive part to play, but just saying it and the aiming it at one thing and making it a direct correlation without any FACTS to support it doesnt make it correct.

Your braised off, trust me so am I, but hastings showing respect (I think that's how an earlier poster put it) and at the end of the game, when nothing else can be done etc showing respect to the Salford fans etc who he clearly has time for and understandably, had no bearing on his desire to win that game.

That's exactly the point. Showing respect AFTER the game would have been fine. Showing it during is not. I'll take you back to something Tyson once said which was that he had opponents beaten before they stepped into the ring. You can't go into games with anything less than an 100% attitude or you'll come unstuck. That's what Hastings did yesterday. Do you think you can just turn it off and on at will? We've seen numerous times that you go into a game with the wrong attitude and it has a snowball effect. Our attitude was wrong across the board yesterday and it certainly wasn't helped by our main playmaker's 'respect' for his former team.

I'll answer your questions.

Any and all reactions have an effect on a rugby field. You can't pick and choose which matter. We were still 14-2 up but would you say we put our foot on their throat during that first half? The attitude you have dictates the way you play. But here's the real point. Don't specifically relate it to the first half where you can find an argument to support your view. Relate it to the whole game and,in particular,the second half. Does your assertion still hold true? I would say not.

So patting Powell on the head negates interviews, pre meditated statemens that he won't celebrate if he scores, ignoring his own players when they come to celebrate his try and an all round deference to Salford? Have a word with yourself!

What does 'park the bus' even mean? Perhaps you'd better ask Hastings himselfas your now arguing with him.

Lastly, attitude is cumulative. Do I think him not celebrating is alone responsible for our loss? Of course not. But if no individual action is ever responsible for the outcome of a game then all those individual actions don't matter, do they? Of course,, we both know that isn't true. In top level sport all actions contribute to the whole. The team can win or lose by one person's attitude as it filters through the team. We've seen it often enough in a positive sense from Lockers or when Barrett pulled the 30-31 rabbit out of the hat for example. We've also seen it many times in the negative sense (the difference between the Noble and Madge versions of basically the same team for example or, even more telling, the Millward version of it).

Attitude is everything in top flight sport. I can't believe for a moment that you think any different.

Re: Hastings : Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:54 pm  

Wigan Peer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8HQhV3ujyg

Exactly!

Speaking to the Daily Mail in 2012, he said: “I just felt depressed, and that wasn’t like me. After 19 years of trying my hardest to score goals, here was one that I almost wished hadn’t actually gone in. I was inconsolable. I didn’t want it to happen.


“How long did the feeling last? How long ago was the game? Thirty-odd years. There is your answer.

“The subject always crops up. It’s one of those things. It’s always there and I am always remembered for it.

“That’s a shame.”

Re: Hastings : Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:56 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

In fact
How did you like our coach laughing and joking with the Salford coach immediately after the game?

I'm not sure that's the same, mate. As you say that was after the game. It didn't sit well in truth anyway but would have been infinitely worse had it happened during the game.