Re: 98 season : Wed May 13, 2020 2:25 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Neither Whelan nor Lindsay could manage the cap. They just expected to throw money about and bring back the glory days.

They weren't too far away with the number of finals we competed in TBH.

Together in their first 5 years 00/04 they made 1 final each year and unfortunately that only manifested 1 trophy - Which I think is very unlucky given the Quality we had - We also had to compete with initially 2 then 3 of the Best clubs sides the countries seen in the SL era in Bradford/Saints & Leeds.

The trouble was though, the lack of cap management, the lack of squad depth which led to the Youth not being looked after correctly was a Ticking Timebomb

First of all I don't believe we should underestimate how badly the Mike Gregory situation was dealt with
And as the injury crisis and the Millward situation came together which initiated Newton leaving etc. the whole House seemed to crumble.

We threw money at it again in 2005/6 which didn't work for a number of reasons (Moran/Calderwood/Feka/Richards/Fletcher etc.) and it took more money to rescue us from it (Fielden/Dobson etc.) which in turn Hamstrung us 2007/08

I've said previously that the fans forum start of 2008 was alarming - How much % of the cap was being spent on such a small % of players.
Leneghan asked for 2 years to sort it so he could redistribute and retain the youth - He wasn't far off

Re: 98 season : Wed May 13, 2020 3:07 pm  

Exactly my point. Our cap management was dreadful.

Re: 98 season : Thu May 14, 2020 10:07 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

When he had those conversations who was the owner?
We all know that Whelan was ultimately in charge and although Mo for example came back late 99 until 2007 it was Whelan who as the owner was ultimately in charge.

Monie only came back because of Whelan, he would never have come back under Robinson. That's the point I was making

You cant blame Norbury as Whelans stooge for sacking Monie, when it was another one of Whelans stooges that got him to come in the first place.

As for the club being a complete shambles, he was right, but dont blame Eric Hughes. He was only part of the issue. Who appointed him? Who sacked West at the wrong time? Who employed Dorohay? Who continued to spend money on many numerous signings that, in which ever way you look at it from 94/95 ish onwards we didnt have the money to actually buy.
And that's before I go into the many other issues financially and legally we found ourselves in 96/97 that ultimately led to Whelans takeover.

I'm no Whelan fan by a long way, and Ian Leneghan beats them both hands down. But Robinson made some terrible decisions and was a massive part of the reason the club was in a shambles

Im not sure how much Whelan was in charge of signings. He may of owned the club but from what i see in Monies book, it was the chairman that was in control of that side of things. Monie himself says he fought the chairman (Norbury, not Whelan) and lost.

Regardless of who was ultimately to blame, had we kept Monie through into the early 00's, i would put my house on us going on another run of silverware. The calibre of players we had from 2000-2003ish with only one challenge cup to show for it is criminal.

Re: 98 season : Fri May 15, 2020 6:44 am  

The_Enforcer wrote:

Im not sure how much Whelan was in charge of signings. He may of owned the club but from what i see in Monies book, it was the chairman that was in control of that side of things. Monie himself says he fought the chairman (Norbury, not Whelan) and lost.

Regardless of who was ultimately to blame, had we kept Monie through into the early 00's, i would put my house on us going on another run of silverware. The calibre of players we had from 2000-2003ish with only one challenge cup to show for it is criminal.

Whelan always had the final say on signings both at the Latic's and at Wigan.

Norbury was only a front man for Whelan and any fight by Monie over signings would have been in reality, a fight with Whelan.

So Monie not wanting to come back to the club at the request of Lindsay would have more to do with Whelan's ownership of the club and not Norbury!

Re: 98 season : Fri May 15, 2020 9:37 am  

Ruddy Duck wrote:

Whelan always had the final say on signings both at the Latic's and at Wigan.

Norbury was only a front man for Whelan and any fight by Monie over signings would have been in reality, a fight with Whelan.

So Monie not wanting to come back to the club at the request of Lindsay would have more to do with Whelan's ownership of the club and not Norbury!

Agree, As Whelan wasn't patient enough with a lot of the issues he'd inherited - If he'd have waited another 6months who knows as Mo would have handled them both better IMO
However still stands, Monie would not have come back under Robinson

Re: 98 season : Fri May 15, 2020 5:15 pm  

Ruddy Duck wrote:

Whelan always had the final say on signings both at the Latic's and at Wigan.

Norbury was only a front man for Whelan and any fight by Monie over signings would have been in reality, a fight with Whelan.

So Monie not wanting to come back to the club at the request of Lindsay would have more to do with Whelan's ownership of the club and not Norbury!

But Whelan still owned the club when Lindsay offered Monie his job back. If it was really Whelan who sacked Monie, and he was really in charge of that side of things, why did he allow Lindsay to try and bring back the guy he had sacked 6 months earlier? It makes no sense. The only thing that changed from Monie being sacked to being offered the job back was that Norbury went and Lindsay came in.

Re: 98 season : Sat May 16, 2020 6:40 am  

The_Enforcer wrote:

But Whelan still owned the club when Lindsay offered Monie his job back. If it was really Whelan who sacked Monie, and he was really in charge of that side of things, why did he allow Lindsay to try and bring back the guy he had sacked 6 months earlier? It makes no sense. The only thing that changed from Monie being sacked to being offered the job back was that Norbury went and Lindsay came in.

Perhaps it was because it was Lindsay who suggested to Whelan that they get Monie back, but after the way he had been treated by Whelan who had sacked him via his stooge Norbury, he no longer wanted to come back to a club now under the control of a owner for whom he had no respect.

Very good at getting others to do his dirty work was Whelan!

Re: 98 season : Sat May 16, 2020 11:03 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Another question that still baffles me to this day...

How did the 2000 side win nothing?

That ones easy. Saints 1-13 was a million times better

Re: 98 season : Sun May 17, 2020 9:03 am  

Steph Curry wrote:

That ones easy. Saints 1-13 was a million times better

yeah it just wasnt

Re: 98 season : Thu May 21, 2020 11:24 am  

The_Enforcer wrote:

Regardless of who was ultimately to blame, had we kept Monie through into the early 00's, i would put my house on us going on another run of silverware. The calibre of players we had from 2000-2003ish with only one challenge cup to show for it is criminal.

I always thought the best backline in SL history was Wigan in 2000. Radlinski, Dallas, Connolly, Renouf, Robinson.