Re: 21 man squad to face Salford : Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:46 am  

hatty wrote:

The majority would select option one myself included. Those who would select option two clearly don't have mortgages or bills to pay or actually live in the real world.

I disagree. Even Escare left early in the end (slightly different circumstances yes but he could have still held out at Wigan until the end of this year, on a rumoured £100k+ contract).

Re: 21 man squad to face Salford : Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:56 am  

Are players not covered via some form of insurance if they’re medically retired early due to injury? Or does it simply come down to the fact that we either pay up or they continue to earn their salary for not much?

I don’t blame Burgess in the slightest in this case and I very much doubt he’ll walk away from a contract with anything less than a huge portion of it. I very much doubt if it was a case of us having to pay him up that we’d stump up what us needed.

Re: 21 man squad to face Salford : Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:20 am  

MattyB wrote:

There's two types of people in this world.

1. I'm contracted and regardless of how well I perform on the pitch (or indeed if I do at all) then that's what has been agreed, that's what I'm owed and will see it out until the bitter end if I can.

2. I'm contracted however I know my performances so far do not justify the wages I am being paid and I feel that I'm letting the club down, I'm in constant pain and it's not going to get any better. Maybe we can come to an agreement to allow me to retire early.

I know which I am.

Easy to say this if you're not in his boots. When he's done he may well be a 30 odd year old with the same qualifications and work experience as a 16 year old who has just left school. That could be a very daunting situation if you have a family to provide for. It's not like rugby league pays so much money that he won't have to worry about these things. There are only so many coaches spots, and those are precarious even when you can get them.

Re: 21 man squad to face Salford : Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:02 pm  

As with everything in the real world, nothing is black and white. It's ok saying "I know I'd jack it in", or "I'd squeeze every penny", but those are two polar sides and there's plenty of options between them.

Like NK said - can he medically retire and get a payout like his brother did? What if the club offered him a % lump sum to retire? That's something I'd consider.

After that there's impacts on health (physical and mental). He's got the 4B clothing line with his brothers, could he take a lump sum and focus on that? Does he want to sit around the UK not playing, or does he want to go back to Aus with his young family?

Re: 21 man squad to face Salford : Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:25 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

As with everything in the real world, nothing is black and white. It's ok saying "I know if jack it in", or "I'd squeeze every penny", but those are two polar sides and there's plenty of options between them.

Like NK said - can he medically retire and get a payout like his brother did? What if the club offered him a % lump sum to retire? That's something I'd consider.

After that there's impacts on health (physical and mental). He's got the 4B clothing line with his brothers, could he take a lump sum and focus on that? Does he want to sit around the UK not playing, or does he want to go back to Aus with his young family?

That's why I put "come to an agreement" assuming their is no insurance claim. This is what usually happens, players tend not to sit around for years not playing until their contract is up, they are generally moved on early.

All assuming his body is goosed of course.

Re: 21 man squad to face Salford : Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:29 pm  

MattyB wrote:

There's two types of people in this world.

1. I'm contracted and regardless of how well I perform on the pitch (or indeed if I do at all) then that's what has been agreed, that's what I'm owed and will see it out until the bitter end if I can.

2. I'm contracted however I know my performances so far do not justify the wages I am being paid and I feel that I'm letting the club down, I'm in constant pain and it's not going to get any better. Maybe we can come to an agreement to allow me to retire early.

I know which I am.

If they were earning footballers wages with the opportunities that also brings being a footballer option 2.

In the current climate and given how, relatively, little he actually earns as a professional athlete - option 1. Ultimately it isn’t his fault the club offered so much, nor is it his fault his hip injury continues to affect him. I wouldn’t be walking away unless I had something set up.

Re: 21 man squad to face Salford : Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:41 pm  

Ultimately Wigan made the decision to offer George Burgess a three year marquee contract.

Re: 21 man squad to face Salford : Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:06 pm  

Burgess’ first inclusion since the club were open and honest about the state of his hip. Hoping for a massive improvement.

Personally I’d play Burgess, Clubb and Flower this week.

Let’s see if any of these are up to helping us in the run in of the season.

Re: 21 man squad to face Salford : Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:08 pm  

Ashton Bears wrote:

Adrian Lam names 21-man squad to face Salford Red Devils
Three changes as Oliver Gildart returns alongside Joe and George Burgess.
Wigan Warriors vs Salford Red Devils, Friday 23rd October, Totally Wicked Stadium, K.O. 5:30pm.
Adrian Lam has named the Wigan Warriors 21-man squad to face Salford Red Devils this Friday in Round 17 of the Betfred Super League.
After last weekend’s bout with Catalans was postponed due to positive COVID-19 tests in the Warriors camp, Lam’s men return to action this weekend, taking on Coral Challenge Cup Final losers Salford after Wigan posted two rounds of all negative tests. (Learn more HERE).

Ian Watson’s side came away victorious last time the two faced off back in March at the AJ Bell Stadium, narrowly pipping the Cherry and Whites 18-14 in what became both club’s final fixture before the national lockdown.


The Wigan Head Coach has made three changes to the 21 that was named to face Catalans (before the postponement), with Oliver Gildart returning alongside Joe and George Burgess.

Youngsters Amir Bourouh and Sam Halsall, along with captain Sean O’Loughlin miss out.

After returning for selection last week, prop-forward Tony Clubb is again available and looking to make his return to action this weekend. The experienced forward has not featured since early March, spending time on the sidelines recovering from a neck injury.

Injury news
Youngster Ethan Havard continues to recover from an ankle injury first sustained against Leeds Rhinos in Wigan’s Coral Challenge Cup Semi Final defeat.

Back-rower Jack Wells remains sidelined following a MCL tear and knee dislocation suffered against St Helens in Round 14.

Winger Liam Marshall continues his long-term recovery from an Anterior Cruciate Ligament knee injury sustained during the Round 10 tie with Castleford.

21-man squad to face Salford Red Devils

1. Zak Hardaker
4. Oliver Gildart
5. Joe Burgess
6. Bevan French
7. Tommy Leuluai
8. Tony Clubb
9. Sam Powell
10. George Burgess
11. Willie Isa
12. Liam Farrell
14. Ben Flower
15. Joe Greenwood
16. Morgan Smithies
17. Oliver Partington
19. Joe Bullock
21. Dom Manfredi
23. Jake Bibby
28. Harry Smith
31. Jackson Hastings
33. Joe Shorrocks
38. Brad Singleton

What team would you pick give the young ones a break
French
Manfredi Hardhaker Gildart Burgess
Hastings Smith
Bullock Powell Singleton
Isa Farrell
Smithies

Leuluai Club Flower Greenwood

Re: 21 man squad to face Salford : Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:24 pm  

The team is

French
Bibby Hardaker Gildart Burgess
Hastings Leuluai
Singleton Powell Bullock
Isa Farrell Partington

Subs Flower Clubb Greenwood Smithies

A full 80 mins of Tommy kicking balls to the fullback/wingers.