Re: 21 man squad to face St Helens Friday : Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:56 am  

Grimmy wrote:

Amor
v Leeds 24 tackles, 9 carries for 79 yards
v Wakefield 21 tackles, 12 carries for 85 yards

Singleton
v Salford 25 tackles, 13 carries for 70 yards
v Wire, 26 tackles, 13 carries for 94 yards

Not a lot in it but by the numbers he's been a little better. Bear in mind that Wire game was close as well whereas Amor's two were batterings. I don't know about how long each was on the field for though. We've been really poor for props so he's really stood out in his first two performances. Whether that's a short term effort to impress at a new club or whether it will improve further as he settles in we shall see.

It's just the incredibly short time horizon that makes me laugh - 2 games and now he's in a combined Saints/Wigan 17!

Out of interest where do you get the individual game stats from? I can never seem to find those.

Re: 21 man squad to face St Helens Friday : Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:10 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

It's just the incredibly short time horizon that makes me laugh - 2 games and now he's in a combined Saints/Wigan 17!

Out of interest where do you get the individual game stats from? I can never seem to find those.

Yeah I suppose. The Super League site, go to results, select the game, scroll right the way down.

Re: 21 man squad to face St Helens Friday : Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:13 am  

How many games do you have to have played to qualify for a combined side?

Re: 21 man squad to face St Helens Friday : Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:14 am  

Grimmy wrote:

Yeah I suppose. The Super League site, go to results, select the game, scroll right the way down.

Fab, thank you!

Re: 21 man squad to face St Helens Friday : Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:16 am  

saintnickle34 wrote:

French, Hastings and Farrell are the only 3 that would make the 13 for me.Its pointless debating with these lot Giraffe if they think the likes of Powell and Hardaker would get in anyones 13 over Roby and Naiqama.

You would have Naiqama over Hardaker? Even as a Saints fan I find that surprising.

Re: 21 man squad to face St Helens Friday : Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:23 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

How many games do you have to have played to qualify for a combined side?

Depends who you are. If you are Brad Singleton and are trying to get a place ahead of LMS/Amor, probably about 374 million.

Re: 21 man squad to face St Helens Friday : Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:24 am  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

You would have Naiqama over Hardaker? Even as a Saints fan I find that surprising.

I don't think Hardaker is a particularly good centre (I'm still of the opinion he has landed in the solid rather than special category he once occupied) but Naiqama is also pretty average. I'd go with Hardaker.

The best centre combo would clearly be Percival/Gildart if fit.

Re: 21 man squad to face St Helens Friday : Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:10 am  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Powell has been excellent this season but to suggest he has outplayed Roby is staggering. They have different styles of course so it's sometimes difficult to compare stats, but

Tackles - Roby 466, Powell 594
Missed Tackles - Roby 4, Powell 19
Tries - Roby 2, Powell 10
Assists - Roby 8, Powell 4
Metres - Roby 1028, Powell 400
Clean Breaks - Roby 6, POwell 3

I suppose in a hypothetical 17 I see the sense in starting Powell and bringing Roby on, but if you had to pick the better player currently then it's still Roby all day.

With Lees, I think people underestimate just how serious that injury was that he had and it massively impacted not only his physical growth but also his off season. He obviously hasn’t been as good this year as pre-injury but that’s understandable. I thought his last performance was his best so far this season though. With a full pre season before 2021 I’m sure he’ll be fine and back to his rampaging best. He’s only 22 don’t forget.

I do like Hardaker but would always pick Percival

I think Powell has outplayed Roby and I don’t think those stats say he hasn’t tbh. Roby well ahead in some and Powell well ahead in others. They’re totally different styles of hooker and as you say a combined side would probably be better balanced by starting Powell and bringing Roby off the bench then the other way round.

As for Lees we’re talking about picking a side now and for me he doesn’t get in it ahead of Bullock without any shadow of a doubt and I’d probably pick guys like Singleton, Amor and Partington above him as well. Long term he’ll bounce back I’m sure but in current form he can’t get in IMO.

Re: 21 man squad to face St Helens Friday : Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:12 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

I didn't post about how many players would get in our squad so not sure where you are going with that. Just makes me laugh that Singleton is now in a combined team having played two games for the club, one against a post-Wembley Salford on the back of a long break for Wigan

He had a career before he came to Wigan would you believe.

And it’s a bit rich questioning our standard of fixtures considering Saints haven’t played a team even close to full strength since Mid September. You’ve basically had 4 byes, which would’ve been 5 had you not rested players against Salford.

Re: 21 man squad to face St Helens Friday : Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:46 am  

I don’t get this combined team malarkey to be honest. Each selection is subjective and biased no matter how you try and spin it. We can introduce stats all day long to suit an argument