Re: Magic Weekend : Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:54 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

I quite like Magic but they need to stop messing with the venue and date.

Same place, same time every season. Maybe even pick the fixtures the week (or 2 week) before in a 1st v 2nd, 3rd v 4th format to try and keep the games fair and as closely contested as possible.

That's the best idea iv'e heard as a concept for the Magic Weekend.Nobody knows who they are playing until a week before the weekend. The only problem being people wont know what day to buy a ticket for and getting time off work, babysitters etc but i like the idea in principle.

Re: Magic Weekend : Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:25 pm  

Pie_Eyter wrote:

That's the best idea iv'e heard as a concept for the Magic Weekend.Nobody knows who they are playing until a week before the weekend. The only problem being people wont know what day to buy a ticket for and getting time off work, babysitters etc but i like the idea in principle.

That's an issue that would need ironing out yes (maybe do it a month before, but then the table might change dramatically in that time), BUT the idea is that it's a weekend event which IMO is why it needs to be somewhere you would go for the weekend as opposed to Manchester or Liverpool. So it would be Newcastle or Cardiff for me with Newcastle pinching it because it's easier to get there for the day if you want to.

Re: Magic Weekend : Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:15 pm  

[Gareth] wrote:

Its getting boring now

Indeed it is.

Re: Magic Weekend : Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:22 am  

If we are going to keep it then it does need revamping.
1) Decide which teams are to play on each day
2) Have a draw one hour before the first game is due to start to determine who plays who and in which order.

This will add excitement for the fans as they don’t know who they will be playing until game day.
Yes teams won’t have had time to prepare for the opposition but that adds to the event and helps to create the occasional shock.
It would also get crowds into the stadium from the start, especially if they hype up the draw and make it a real event.
But whatever they decide to do it definitely needs to be reinvented.

Re: Magic Weekend : Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:12 am  

To be honest, most years I’d be inclined to agree but this year I’m just excited about the prospect of it going ahead with fans in the stadium.

Re: Magic Weekend : Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:38 am  

hatty wrote:

If we are going to keep it then it does need revamping.
1) Decide which teams are to play on each day
2) Have a draw one hour before the first game is due to start to determine who plays who and in which order.

This will add excitement for the fans as they don’t know who they will be playing until game day.
Yes teams won’t have had time to prepare for the opposition but that adds to the event and helps to create the occasional shock.
It would also get crowds into the stadium from the start, especially if they hype up the draw and make it a real event.
But whatever they decide to do it definitely needs to be reinvented.

So all six teams have to get changed and warmed up at the same time ready to play, then four of them find out they're not playing yet? Besides the fact there are few stadiums with the facilities to allow six teams to all get changed and warmed up at the same time, it would just be messing players and coaching staff about needlessly. There would be heavy criticism of the RFL from the teams for being amateurish and rightly so.

I think it would be pretty poor from a fan's perspective too. You're asking people to buy travel, accommodation and tickets for what could well be three mismatches. I know from our group I can get six-eight of us to pay up for Wigan v Saints/Warrington/Leeds with a bit of arm twisting. For random opposition if would be a harder sell, most likely just two of us. I'll watch any rugby but it's asking a lot of time and money from casual fans to potentially watch Wigan v Hull KR.

We need these to either be evenly matched on paper, or derbies. Of course the problem with derbies is that if would mean the same games every year. 1 v 2, 3 v 4 etc from last season's table works, or alternatively from a set point during the current season (e.g when everyone has played each other once).

Re: Magic Weekend : Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:51 am  

hatty wrote:

If we are going to keep it then it does need revamping.
1) Decide which teams are to play on each day
2) Have a draw one hour before the first game is due to start to determine who plays who and in which order.

This will add excitement for the fans as they don’t know who they will be playing until game day.
Yes teams won’t have had time to prepare for the opposition but that adds to the event and helps to create the occasional shock.
It would also get crowds into the stadium from the start, especially if they hype up the draw and make it a real event.
But whatever they decide to do it definitely needs to be reinvented.

great joke pal.

Re: Magic Weekend : Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:31 am  

Father Ted wrote:

You're asking for a bit too much there, Royal Wire. Common sense and the RFL? Mutually exclusive really.
As a Wigan fan we played Saints 5 years out of 6 at Magic.
Played Leeds four on the trot.
If we'd played you guys last year we'd have played each other four on the bounce.

That's boring! Surely by now the RFL would have found a better way of sorting the six game fixtures?
A plain old drawing balls out of a bag would be better than this shambles.

Do the RFL organise SuperLeague's fixtures?

Re: Magic Weekend : Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:51 am  

hatty wrote:

If we are going to keep it then it does need revamping.
1) Decide which teams are to play on each day
2) Have a draw one hour before the first game is due to start to determine who plays who and in which order.

My take on this: make the draws from the top and bottom halves of the table for each day (and announce in advance which days the games are on i.e. top half Saturday, bottom half Sunday.

Draw the games for Saturday on the day before live on Sky Sports News, and then draw the games for Sunday before the first game on a Saturday so fans and teams know a day in advance who they will be playing.

This has the benefit of keeping some mystery and excitement over the fixtures whilst also deciding who plays who in a 'fairer' manner (ignoring the possibility of the Illuminati fixing the draw with hot and cold balls in the bag (oo-er)).

What's reckon?

Re: Magic Weekend : Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:42 pm  

ksm1701 wrote:

My take on this: make the draws from the top and bottom halves of the table for each day (and announce in advance which days the games are on i.e. top half Saturday, bottom half Sunday.

Draw the games for Saturday on the day before live on Sky Sports News, and then draw the games for Sunday before the first game on a Saturday so fans and teams know a day in advance who they will be playing.

This has the benefit of keeping some mystery and excitement over the fixtures whilst also deciding who plays who in a 'fairer' manner (ignoring the possibility of the Illuminati fixing the draw with hot and cold balls in the bag (oo-er)).

What's reckon?

Are less people really going because we know in advance who we will be playing? I think this is solving a problem that doesn't exist, and is more likely to hurt sales than help them. A lot of people aren't going to pay for a weekend ticket and accommodation if one day involves all the worst teams. Many of the fans of the best teams (who are also generally the ones with the most fans) will go up and back in a day if you do that. That in turn makes it less attractive to the cities bidding if people are more likely to go up and back on the day rather than spending money in the town on the night and paying for accommodation.

You also still have the issue of it being less attractive to casual fans if there's a 40% chance we won't be playing Saints/Wire/Leeds. Then if we do draw them it's late notice to arrange going to the game, especially given that it's hours of travel and the games are on TV. On the subject of TV, you can't advertise ahead who is playing, and it won't show in the TV pages or TV guide. That's not exactly a great recipe for getting casual viewers to watch it. Then those who do realise who is playing will probably not bother with the whole of the Sunday if there are none of the best teams playing all day, rather than maybe leaving it on all day if there are some of the best teams to look forward to.