Re: The Prop Problem : Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:25 pm  

Cherry.Pie wrote:

That's not a switch, he always plays at 13 (except for a start at centre earlier in the year). Unless you mean have him starting there or play there all game, in which case I'd agree, although he does make a big difference coming off the bench too. Shorrocks is the most underrated player in Super League for me. He's a very good ball player but for someone so skinny for a forward he's not bad at making carries.

You’d imagine Lockers had been working with him training, filling in that link role nicely, great pass for Clark’s try.

Re: The Prop Problem : Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:36 pm  

One of the issues I noticed watching the game against Hudds was how many times our forwards espeically the front row got the ball either at dummy half or from Powell at dummy half and immediately ran straight into the markers from the previous tackle and got put down without making any ground. Is this a tactic they are being coached to do or is it just poor play, as it means a wasted tackle and no (or very little gain) - might explain some of the poor stats for carries.

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:26 am  

exiled Warrior wrote:

One of the issues I noticed watching the game against Hudds was how many times our forwards espeically the front row got the ball either at dummy half or from Powell at dummy half and immediately ran straight into the markers from the previous tackle and got put down without making any ground. Is this a tactic they are being coached to do or is it just poor play, as it means a wasted tackle and no (or very little gain) - might explain some of the poor stats for carries.

It seems to be a tactic the main drawback is the players never disrupt the defensive line so as you pointed out tackles are wasted. If you had players busting tackles and drawing defenders in then there would be space further wide.

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:05 am  

exiled Warrior wrote:

One of the issues I noticed watching the game against Hudds was how many times our forwards espeically the front row got the ball either at dummy half or from Powell at dummy half and immediately ran straight into the markers from the previous tackle and got put down without making any ground. Is this a tactic they are being coached to do or is it just poor play, as it means a wasted tackle and no (or very little gain) - might explain some of the poor stats for carries.

I don’t think there’s anyway excuses for a prop not to run as hard as he can and make ground on a drive, taking it in and giving up is pointless. It draws defenders in and creates spaces out wide.

The only other tactic I’ll have when it’s they’re not doing that is getting a roll on, hitting the defensive line at speed (making some ground) with a quick PTB to create chaos in the defensive line and open up gaps in the middle.

We don’t do either. Our props tend to trundle it up half hearted and get dominated.

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:30 pm  

Does anyone else feel the refs are a bit lax these days on markers not being square? Obviously one of the benefits of a quick p-t-b is that you can catch the markers not square, get a penalty/6 again call. But it seems to me refs aren't as strict on that these days, and pens are seldom given.

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:59 pm  

moto748 wrote:

Does anyone else feel the refs are a bit lax these days on markers not being square? Obviously one of the benefits of a quick p-t-b is that you can catch the markers not square, get a penalty/6 again call. But it seems to me refs aren't as strict on that these days, and pens are seldom given.

It is a set restart rather than a penalty now. I wonder if that's why you're not noticing them as much for that reason? Markers not square on the goal line is a recurring theme that doesn't always get addressed I think.

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:56 pm  

Yes, I thought it was a set restart now, but I still think it often goes unpenalised.

Another pet hate of mine is, chasers are in front of the kicker, However, the defending winger catches the ball safely, but is tackled by an offside player on his own try-line. Play normally just continues, but surely the defending side are entitled to a penalty and a kick down the pitch?

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:00 pm  

moto748 wrote:

Yes, I thought it was a set restart now, but I still think it often goes unpenalised.

Another pet hate of mine is, chasers are in front of the kicker, However, the defending winger catches the ball safely, but is tackled by an offside player on his own try-line. Play normally just continues, but surely the defending side are entitled to a penalty and a kick down the pitch?

They have to give him 10 m grace prior engaging with the ball carrier or it is a penalty.

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:31 pm  

moto748 wrote:

Yes, I thought it was a set restart now, but I still think it often goes unpenalised.

Another pet hate of mine is, chasers are in front of the kicker, However, the defending winger catches the ball safely, but is tackled by an offside player on his own try-line. Play normally just continues, but surely the defending side are entitled to a penalty and a kick down the pitch?

Has the kicker ran past the chasers to put them onside, or has the catcher gone 10m (in any direction)? One of those two things has to happen or it would be a penalty. Sounds like you're probably not picking up on the 'give 10' rule. Which, granted, is sometimes more like 8.

Re: The Prop Problem : Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:34 pm  

I am aware of the 'give 10' rule. And the kicker playing team-mates onside.