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Re: 21 man squad to face York Friday Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:52 pm  

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Yea, Remember people saying we should rest players and give loads of kids a game against leigh as that would be easy as well?


exactly pal
Re: 21 man squad to face York Friday Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:54 pm  

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Jukesays wrote:
Sick of hearing the Jack Murphy argument

He had a decent game, he dropped a ball, yeah it was crucial but it was also very difficult that half the FB's in the league wouldn't have got anywhere near and that's before the argument that Brett F*** Finch (It still rankles 9 years later) couldn't put a ball in touch on the last with a minute or so to go and kill the game!!!

Anyway - Back on the Murphy topic, there is also an alternative than to blame him being thrown in and that costing us the game and it ruining his career & continually using this argument over and over again, it's quite possible that he just wasn't good enough?

Anyway - Your not impressing me, Conroy isn't impressing me and I'm disappointed in the responses within our Clique!!!
Not good enough - Must Try Harder :wink:


whoa.....Egg Chasing is Conroy??
Re: 21 man squad to face York Friday Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:16 pm  

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Re: 21 man squad to face York Friday Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:23 pm  

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We have to win the game, the fact it’s knockout makes it the biggest game we’ll play so far this season and other than rotating two props I’d stick with the strongest side. They’re not a bad side by any stretch and whilst a defeat is unlikely, it’s not unthinkable if we turn up with a rotten attitude and a team with numerous changes. The games a great opportunity for young Hanley to build some confidence and I’d probably look at playing Clubb and Clark in place of Byrne and Bullock and tell them they have to absolutely smash the door down if they want to keep a place in the next league game.

I’d go-

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Bibby Isa Farrell Hanley
Hastings Leuluai
Singleton Powell Havard
Bateman Smithies Partington

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Clark Clubb Shorrocks Smith


I’d go with the same as last week
We cannot afford to lose this one and playing Clubb and Clark for me increases that possibility on a grand scale

Clubb managed I think 15 minutes in the GF and totally ineffective. I would only play him in an emergency and possibly Leigh HKR and Wakey in the future. I still don’t know how he got a deal until 2022.

Clark blows out of his arris after his first tackle or run. Just don’t see anything good about him. Byrne is twice the player even on a bad day.

Bullock does need to improve and complete more minutes
You can set your watch on him. Guaranteed to play 15 minutes then off he goes.
I was really hoping that he would kick on this season but so far very very disappointing
Re: 21 man squad to face York Friday Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:24 pm  

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Jukesays wrote:
Sick of hearing the Jack Murphy argument

He had a decent game, he dropped a ball, yeah it was crucial but it was also very difficult that half the FB's in the league wouldn't have got anywhere near and that's before the argument that Brett F*** Finch (It still rankles 9 years later) couldn't put a ball in touch on the last with a minute or so to go and kill the game!!!

Anyway - Back on the Murphy topic, there is also an alternative than to blame him being thrown in and that costing us the game and it ruining his career & continually using this argument over and over again, it's quite possible that he just wasn't good enough?

Anyway - Your not impressing me, Conroy isn't impressing me and I'm disappointed in the responses within our Clique!!!
Not good enough - Must Try Harder :wink:

Yeah I'm not necessarily saying he was solely to blame for the game, it's rare that one player is. I bet he would have done better, or at least bounced back, if he had more games under his belt beforehand though. When you look back at that season, we won 18 games by 20+ points and yet we pretty much never played anything except our strongest available 17. Every week that would have been the least risky option to win the game, right up until your best player gets injured and you're asking a youngster to deal with getting peppered by Kevin Sinfield in a play off. I know from near enough the horse's mouth that the club were very poor with how they dealt with Murphy after that as well, but hopefully the approach has changed.

Hopefully it won't happen, but I'd hate to be getting to a game later in the season and COVID/injuries strike and we're left wishing Smith/Kilner/Halsall had been ready to step up. There is also the question of how we expect Smith to start every week next year if we only ever give him the odd 15 minutes when the game is over as a contest. We are likely to lose some or all of French/Hastings/Leuluai, so we need to see whether he is going to be ready whilst there is still time to sign someone for next year if he isn't. The Championship is weak right now, and York aren't even one of the top 3 sides in it IMO. If we can't rotate against them and still get a win then we're in big trouble.

Don't forget the possibility that one of them actually takes their chance and improves the first team. Sam Tomkins and Liam Farrell are examples of players who we sat on for too long before giving them a crack IMO, sat behind Tim Smith, Phil Bailey and Mark Flanagan because we were fielding what we believed to be our strongest team every week.
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Re: 21 man squad to face York Friday Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:32 pm  

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Pieman wrote:
whoa.....Egg Chasing is Conroy??


Bloody hell there’s a character I’ve not seen in years! Dirty Latics mon
Re: 21 man squad to face York Friday Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:11 pm  

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Itchy Arsenal wrote:
I’d go with the same as last week
We cannot afford to lose this one and playing Clubb and Clark for me increases that possibility on a grand scale

Clubb managed I think 15 minutes in the GF and totally ineffective. I would only play him in an emergency and possibly Leigh HKR and Wakey in the future. I still don’t know how he got a deal until 2022.

Clark blows out of his arris after his first tackle or run. Just don’t see anything good about him. Byrne is twice the player even on a bad day.

Bullock does need to improve and complete more minutes
You can set your watch on him. Guaranteed to play 15 minutes then off he goes.
I was really hoping that he would kick on this season but so far very very disappointing


My thoughts were that we’d really get to see if they have the desire to try and earn a place in the first choice team on a regular basis. A way of trying to drive competition but let them know they’d have to play out of their skin to displace Byrne, Bullock or any of the other forwards and you may well get a bit more out of those two in this game than you would out of a first choice forward who thinks his place is safe. I want the strongest spine and a real core of the players who have started these first two games but I just think there’s lots to gain going forward from trying to drive competition in the prop position. There’s a lot of them but none are at the very top of the tree when it comes to superleague props, so I’d like to just see us try and force everything we can out of them. If we lose against York with that side I named, it won’t be because we picked Clubb and Clark IMO.
Re: 21 man squad to face York Friday Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:14 am  
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NickyKiss wrote:
My thoughts were that we’d really get to see if they have the desire to try and earn a place in the first choice team on a regular basis. A way of trying to drive competition but let them know they’d have to play out of their skin to displace Byrne, Bullock or any of the other forwards and you may well get a bit more out of those two in this game than you would out of a first choice forward who thinks his place is safe. I want the strongest spine and a real core of the players who have started these first two games but I just think there’s lots to gain going forward from trying to drive competition in the prop position. There’s a lot of them but none are at the very top of the tree when it comes to superleague props, so I’d like to just see us try and force everything we can out of them. If we lose against York with that side I named, it won’t be because we picked Clubb and Clark IMO.


Clarke especially deserves a shot imo. The Salford game was only a friendly, but he showed up well. Outside of that Bullock and Singleton have been average/good since the start of the season. For me, you need to let players who probably aren't playing as well as they could know there's other options.

Like you said, front row is our weakest spot, but we're stacked for options. Unless a top prop drops in our lap we need to make the most out of our current pool.

Who knows, we might see a 2nd season bounce from Clarke? I'm not confident, but how else do you find out?
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Re: 21 man squad to face York Friday Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:32 am  

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Clarke especially deserves a shot imo. The Salford game was only a friendly, but he showed up well. Outside of that Bullock and Singleton have been average/good since the start of the season. For me, you need to let players who probably aren't playing as well as they could know there's other options.

Like you said, front row is our weakest spot, but we're stacked for options. Unless a top prop drops in our lap we need to make the most out of our current pool.

Who knows, we might see a 2nd season bounce from Clarke? I'm not confident, but how else do you find out?

Yep, I think a fringe player getting a rare opportunity is a lot less likely to be complacent against York than a regular starter too. Even if Clark is going to be poor, I'd rather find out now in a game we can carry him in and still win comfortably.
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Re: 21 man squad to face York Friday Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:56 am  
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Yep, I think a fringe player getting a rare opportunity is a lot less likely to be complacent against York than a regular starter too. Even if Clark is going to be poor, I'd rather find out now in a game we can carry him in and still win comfortably.


My worry is that, if we don't change the team for anything other than injuries, the starting players could get too comfortable.

A raft of changes would be wrong, but swapping out a couple of lads for experience in Clubb & a 27/28 year guy like Clarke isn't taking the pi$$.
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