Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 3:02 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

Unless there are changes to personnel then a bottom 4 wouldn’t surprise me.
The Huddersfield game will I think be very telling.
No pack to speak of and no FB. Could be another real drubbing.

Give over

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 3:10 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

Unless there are changes to personnel then a bottom 4 wouldn’t surprise me.
The Huddersfield game will I think be very telling.
No pack to speak of and no FB. Could be another real drubbing.

Hudds currently making us look good, HT Wakey 30-0 Hudds

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 5:50 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Is anybody going to give Catalan any credit for how they played? Yes Wigan were poor, error strewn and undisciplined but they were bloody good.

I'm glad you appreciate how well the Dragons played. And there will be more to come like that.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 6:31 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Is anybody going to give Catalan any credit for how they played? Yes Wigan were poor, error strewn and undisciplined but they were bloody good.

Yes they did on the back of a strong forward dominance and half backs with time to operate. But we did make it so easy for them - too many poor performances, ill-discipline and poor tactics. Straight after half-time we gave a penatly away in the first set which put us on the back foot. Our kicking game was totally one dimensional and even on the rare occurances when we got near the Catalan line we never looked capable of scoring.

Catalan (especially at home) are a good team no doubt but it was all too easy for them, Wigan offered no threat from the first to last minute of the game.

Second half every time we cam out from our line we got about 30 yards and just hoofed the ball up in the middle of the Cataln half - so easy for Tomkins to catch it and run to half-way before our defese got anywhere near to him, no attempt to kick and turn the Ctalan team around, poor options all the time.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 7:52 pm  

Looking from the outside, the enthusiasm of your young, inexperienced and fairly lightweight pack got you through up until yesterday. Catalans pack worked them over and the halfbacks took advantage. We have our own numpty in Tom Lineham but Hardaker and to an extent Bateman are rather “nastier” when things don’t go their way, that could prove costly.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Mon May 31, 2021 8:23 am  

I know we generally like having people work for the club who have an emotional attachment to it but sometimes you can see how it can hinder our progress. Kris R is Wigan through and through so it might be a good idea to give the strategic planning job to someone who is not worried about upsetting their mates.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Mon May 31, 2021 9:04 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Give over

The next 3 games are Huddersfield HKR and Wakefield
I’d suggest a top 2 side should win all three
A top 6 side say 2 out of 3
A bottom 4 side probably 1 or nil

How confident currently are you on how many we would win?
My assumptions above are not very scientific but I’d like to think are roughly what a lot of people would broadly agree with.

Perspiration will only get you so far and at the moment there seems to be very little inspiration within the set up.
I’m not being defeatist but I’m not sure with the current personnel on and off the field how we are going to improve and after the next three games the opposition gets stronger so the downward trend could continue.

I agree with others that Lam rightly or wrongly will be here until the end of the season so unless new blood is introduced on the playing front I just don’t see how we turn it around particularly in the short term.

Hey I hope I’m wrong and the first 8 games have been a blip but at best I see us around mid table and lower than that would not be a great surprise

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Mon May 31, 2021 9:05 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Give over

The next 3 games are Huddersfield HKR and Wakefield
I’d suggest a top 2 side should win all three
A top 6 side say 2 out of 3
A bottom 4 side probably 1 or nil

How confident currently are you on how many we would win?
My assumptions above are not very scientific but I’d like to think are roughly what a lot of people would broadly agree with.

Perspiration will only get you so far and at the moment there seems to be very little inspiration within the set up.
I’m not being defeatist but I’m not sure with the current personnel on and off the field how we are going to improve and after the next three games the opposition gets stronger so the downward trend could continue.

I agree with others that Lam rightly or wrongly will be here until the end of the season so unless new blood is introduced on the playing front I just don’t see how we turn it around particularly in the short term.

Hey I hope I’m wrong and the first 8 games have been a blip but at best I see us around mid table and lower than that would not be a great surprise

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Mon May 31, 2021 9:25 am  

You honestly believe we will finish in the bottom 4?

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Mon May 31, 2021 9:41 am  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

The next 3 games are Huddersfield HKR and Wakefield
I’d suggest a top 2 side should win all three
A top 6 side say 2 out of 3
A bottom 4 side probably 1 or nil

How confident currently are you on how many we would win?
My assumptions above are not very scientific but I’d like to think are roughly what a lot of people would broadly agree with.

Perspiration will only get you so far and at the moment there seems to be very little inspiration within the set up.
I’m not being defeatist but I’m not sure with the current personnel on and off the field how we are going to improve and after the next three games the opposition gets stronger so the downward trend could continue.

I agree with others that Lam rightly or wrongly will be here until the end of the season so unless new blood is introduced on the playing front I just don’t see how we turn it around particularly in the short term.

Hey I hope I’m wrong and the first 8 games have been a blip but at best I see us around mid table and lower than that would not be a great surprise

My main concern is our lack of line breakers now that Field and French are out long term. Gildart and Marshall may help but in 2020 we were hugely reliant on Bevan French, both to break the line and to create space for others. This is why I was never a fan of Zak playing fullback long term even though some of the media were calling for it.