Re: Thank God It's Over : Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:47 pm  

Well I couldn't afford to do that, having only moved to Wigan <checks notes> just under five years ago. But prior to that, I remember those 400 mile round trips down the M6 all too well. The rugby didn't always sparkle during the Wane era, but I never lost my faith.I certainly never saw as toothless an effort as this.

[DaveO]

Re: Thank God It's Over : Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:08 am  

jonh wrote:

Our mismanagement of the quota spots means we can’t sign any of them.

Just depressing how the leadership have let the club down in the last 3 years.

Exactly, The squad we have for next season is (based on what was said at the fans forum) currently going to cost £1,877,000.

That’s based on us having £73k left after recruiting a half back and the fact a half back can cost us a maximum of £150k on the cap.

That is after Hasting’s, Clubb and Gildart have gone and with recruits being the two Aussie forwards, Thornley and Miski with the latter two being championship standard players and completely uninspiring.

How on earth is that squad going to be paid £1.877m?

The answer at least in part was also given at the fans forum. The club has promoted several young players to the first team squad and decided to give them what it terms are first team contracts. I’d bet my house this is Rads doing modelling it on Leeds pay structure and the result is too many young players taking up too much of the salary cap to allow the club to recruit more experienced players to assist a fewer number of young players.

Yes this means you have to make hard decisions about letting several players go if half a dozen young players are in the frame for a first team contract but if you don’t you have no money for the experienced players you need. It’s also bound to happen sometimes you will let the wrong players go but that’s just the way it would go.

Re: Thank God It's Over : Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:51 am  

I called it earlier in the season that our attack was floundering on the back of no one passing at the line. I've never seen a more stark example of this than tonight when practically every pass was made 5m or more before the defensive line. Terrible. Just terrible.

Re: Thank God It's Over : Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:58 am  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

To be honest I'm not really bothered about the defeat - I've never felt like that before and I don't see that changing for next season. There's nothing to get excited about - Lam, Radlinski and Lenagan have sucked the joy out of the club.

Yep, first season since since 1971 I have seen zero live games. 4 hour return trip to watch that is simply not going to be done. We need some flair back.
Listened n Radio today from Antigua, 2 RU peeps in pool asking me about Wigan and what has gone wrong, hard to explain. Too much concern over cells in a spreadsheet. RL is a vocation, not a business.

Re: Thank God It's Over : Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:05 am  

DaveO wrote:

Exactly, The squad we have for next season is (based on what was said at the fans forum) currently going to cost £1,877,000.

That’s based on us having £73k left after recruiting a half back and the fact a half back can cost us a maximum of £150k on the cap.

That is after Hasting’s, Clubb and Gildart have gone and with recruits being the two Aussie forwards, Thornley and Miski with the latter two being championship standard players and completely uninspiring.

How on earth is that squad going to be paid £1.877m?

The answer at least in part was also given at the fans forum. The club has promoted several young players to the first team squad and decided to give them what it terms are first team contracts. I’d bet my house this is Rads doing modelling it on Leeds pay structure and the result is too many young players taking up too much of the salary cap to allow the club to recruit more experienced players to assist a fewer number of young players.

Yes this means you have to make hard decisions about letting several players go if half a dozen young players are in the frame for a first team contract but if you don’t you have no money for the experienced players you need. It’s also bound to happen sometimes you will let the wrong players go but that’s just the way it would go.

Think you’re right. This is exactly our problem...too many average young players on silly salaries. Beyond KPP if any of our young players are on more than 40k then they are grossly overpaid and need to go. Byrne and partington are not even worth that.

If we’re serious about improving things I’d get them all on the transfer list and get what we can for them while they’re under contract...even if only 40-50k a player.

Huge clean out of the forwards needed...rather than looking at who I’d shift I’d look at who I’d retain....Farrell Bateman Smithies KPP...clear the rest off for me inc Powell unless he’s still cheap and you keep him for utility but he’s not a starting 9! Possibly still keep havard unless he’s on a stupid deal. With the rest of them were better getting rid and starting again

Re: Thank God It's Over : Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:07 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

I called it earlier in the season that our attack was floundering on the back of no one passing at the line. I've never seen a more stark example of this than tonight when practically every pass was made 5m or more before the defensive line. Terrible. Just terrible.

That hit me last night too! So transparent

Re: Thank God It's Over : Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:11 am  

MadDogg wrote:

Said this before but if Hardaker's kick goes over in Grand Final 2020 then Lam likely gets a three year contract. When I really think about that I'm genuinely in two minds about which result I'd have preferred with hindsight, particularly when we know IL doesn't sack coaches.

I couldnt have put up with another two years of that - I'd simply have disengaged from the club completely until he was gone.

Tbh I think if the coaching appointment is peet many will disengage anyway...not coming back for more of the same and probably worse next season, with an even weaker squad.

Re: Thank God It's Over : Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:53 am  

The fact that not one player of the present squad is not on the short list for the Man of Steel Award says it all about the season!

Re: Thank God It's Over : Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:59 am  

jonh wrote:

I’d take all of them over Smith..

Does him being 21 give him some kind of exemption from performing poorly?

What am I ignoring that he does well?

Rocky is out of contract wont cost the earth versatile fast player.

Re: Thank God It's Over : Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:22 am  

I've watched games this year from a sense of obligation, I haven't enjoyed a single game. It's been boring, awful rugby. Wins are a reflief, losses are to be expected - there's no entertainment at all.

If Peet is given the job, with a worse squad than this year then I will probably lose all interest.