Re: Mr Predictable : Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:49 pm  

I have to say though that this a very likeable England squad.

Although I’ve heard the story before it was interesting to hear Peacock on a high performance podcast explaining how the rivalry between Saints and Leeds spilled over to the 2008 WC and impacted England. He said it was a regret and he wishes he could go back in time to act differently.

Whether or not it’s now because we can see the players engaging with each other on social media, there doesn’t seem to be that inter club rivalry anymore and they all seem to really get on.

That augurs really well not only for this WC but for the future.

Re: Mr Predictable : Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:59 pm  

Big spread of clubs in this England squad I'm sure that helps in cliques not forming

Re: Mr Predictable : Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:47 am  

apollosghost wrote:

Big spread of clubs in this England squad I'm sure that helps in cliques not forming

It could also be down to Shaun Wane. He doesn't tolerate egos.

Re: Mr Predictable : Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:14 am  

Cruncher wrote:

It could also be down to Shaun Wane. He doesn't tolerate egos.

I would go as far as to say it is 100% Wane,he would have drilled it into the ones with the biggest egos that it is a team game and that as a group they have to work together to achieve any success.

Re: Mr Predictable : Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:09 am  

Jason65 wrote:

I would go as far as to say it is 100% Wane,he would have drilled it into the ones with the biggest egos that it is a team game and that as a group they have to work together to achieve any success.

I can't remember now who was coaching England in 2008, but if the divide between St Helens and Leeds players was as bad as the rumours at the time held it was, and both Peacock and Graham now seem to be confirming that, it represents a total failure of whoever was in charge.

The Riot Act should have been read. The worst offenders should have been made an example of and sent home.

I'll never forget in 1988, when Graham Lowe had a discipline issue with Ellery Hanley, who was club captain at the time (and the best player in Britain). Lowe told him to stay away until he'd sorted his attitude out. Hanley did, for about 3 months, but he was the one who eventually came crawling back.

Egos can be tamed by proper coaches.

Re: Mr Predictable : Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:45 am  

Not sure if this is the right topic to post this but for everyone who moans about RL never getting any high profile people as guests of honour at matches your prayers have been answered, HRH The Princess of Wales will be at the DW on Saturday

Re: Mr Predictable : Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:25 pm  

apollosghost wrote:

Not sure if this is the right topic to post this but for everyone who moans about RL never getting any high profile people as guests of honour at matches your prayers have been answered, HRH The Princess of Wales will be at the DW on Saturday

Good, a positive for the game.

Re: Mr Predictable : Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:34 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

I can't remember now who was coaching England in 2008, but if the divide between St Helens and Leeds players was as bad as the rumours at the time held it was, and both Peacock and Graham now seem to be confirming that, it represents a total failure of whoever was in charge.

The Riot Act should have been read. The worst offenders should have been made an example of and sent home.

I'll never forget in 1988, when Graham Lowe had a discipline issue with Ellery Hanley, who was club captain at the time (and the best player in Britain). Lowe told him to stay away until he'd sorted his attitude out. Hanley did, for about 3 months, but he was the one who eventually came crawling back.

Egos can be tamed by proper coaches.

It was Tony Smith.

We were in the same hotel (Holiday Inn) as the players in Townsville. It was as bad if not worse than reported. There was a small shopping centre close by and you would see all the Saints players in one coffee shop, all the Leeds players in another, even walking around the hotel grounds there were the two different sets of players in their own sub groups.

Re: Mr Predictable : Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:57 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

It was Tony Smith.

We were in the same hotel (Holiday Inn) as the players in Townsville. It was as bad if not worse than reported. There was a small shopping centre close by and you would see all the Saints players in one coffee shop, all the Leeds players in another, even walking around the hotel grounds there were the two different sets of players in their own sub groups.

We all heard similar stories at the time. A definite case of ego before country.

Re: Mr Predictable : Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:44 am  

Cruncher wrote:

I can't remember now who was coaching England in 2008, but if the divide between St Helens and Leeds players was as bad as the rumours at the time held it was, and both Peacock and Graham now seem to be confirming that, it represents a total failure of whoever was in charge.

The Riot Act should have been read. The worst offenders should have been made an example of and sent home.

I'll never forget in 1988, when Graham Lowe had a discipline issue with Ellery Hanley, who was club captain at the time (and the best player in Britain). Lowe told him to stay away until he'd sorted his attitude out. Hanley did, for about 3 months, but he was the one who eventually came crawling back.

Egos can be tamed by proper coaches.

I seem to remember him making his 'post issues comeback' against Widnes in the JPS Final at Burnden Park, or was that Andy Greg. I think he had a wobble as well for a while back then. Major egos in that team that Maurice did well to tame.