Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Wed Nov 01, 2023 4:24 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

I thought it was 1st December??
Could be wrong though.

I thought 1st December
Kind of irrelevant though as we know Danson has been funding certain things for 12/18mths plus behind the scenes

People seem to be on the length of contract, letting them go with a transfer fee, holding them to contracts, in a Binary Black or white stance

Each situation is different, and each stance could have 2 ways of looking at it.
Give them 2yrs you kownl what you've got so some people.claim they would be happy, don't be surprised if they walk away and then those same people will claim we should do more to keep them
Give em 4 years and on occasion they leave after 2 or 3, we get a fee, buy some people not happy we didn't get 4 years

In both instances we don't know if the player would have signed the current contract if it was structured the opposite way though do we?

Someone offered 2yrs they may not have signed it and walked away at that point (people would be up in arms!)
Someone offered 4 with a clause, without it they may not have signed it?
Offer Someone 4 without a clause, they may still feel like singing it, but opportunities and situations change, we hold em to it and we may set a precedent that affects future signings etc.

Watched the off the bench podcast a couple of weeks back with Matty Peet. Apart from Jon Wilkin being a pr1 k and ruining it the thing that stood out was a bit were Matty Peet talked about what makes players tick, and each player being different. And it's finding those things, understanding them, and making each person's situation work for them
Matty talked about having a wider responsibility than just making good rugby players, we need to make good people with goals and aims.
You couple that with Shaun Wane previously and Rads talking about wanting these young players all to go on and become successful people, family people and you get a nurturing environment that wants young players to succeed, and at times that may be letting/selling players go to achieve and attempt those goals/dreams

I'm 100% of the club for being like that and wouldn't want us to be any other way.

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Wed Nov 01, 2023 4:27 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

I'm 100% of the club for being like that and wouldn't want us to be any other way.

Here here

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Wed Nov 01, 2023 5:00 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

I thought 1st December
Kind of irrelevant though as we know Danson has been funding certain things for 12/18mths plus behind the scenes

People seem to be on the length of contract, letting them go with a transfer fee, holding them to contracts, in a Binary Black or white stance

Each situation is different, and each stance could have 2 ways of looking at it.
Give them 2yrs you kownl what you've got so some people.claim they would be happy, don't be surprised if they walk away and then those same people will claim we should do more to keep them
Give em 4 years and on occasion they leave after 2 or 3, we get a fee, buy some people not happy we didn't get 4 years

In both instances we don't know if the player would have signed the current contract if it was structured the opposite way though do we?

Someone offered 2yrs they may not have signed it and walked away at that point (people would be up in arms!)
Someone offered 4 with a clause, without it they may not have signed it?
Offer Someone 4 without a clause, they may still feel like singing it, but opportunities and situations change, we hold em to it and we may set a precedent that affects future signings etc.

Watched the off the bench podcast a couple of weeks back with Matty Peet. Apart from Jon Wilkin being a pr1 k and ruining it the thing that stood out was a bit were Matty Peet talked about what makes players tick, and each player being different. And it's finding those things, understanding them, and making each person's situation work for them
Matty talked about having a wider responsibility than just making good rugby players, we need to make good people with goals and aims.
You couple that with Shaun Wane previously and Rads talking about wanting these young players all to go on and become successful people, family people and you get a nurturing environment that wants young players to succeed, and at times that may be letting/selling players go to achieve and attempt those goals/dreams

I'm 100% of the club for being like that and wouldn't want us to be any other way.

Spot on that Jukes.
It’s the old saying “can’t do right for doing wrong”.

Peet openly stated for example that some player’s desire high wages, others want the challenge of nrl. How Peet and his team approach each player personally is exceptionally mature and I’d suggest pretty envious to players at opposing clubs.
I couldn’t believe how amateurish and immature Wilkin was on that podcast. I won’t be listening to anything associated with Wilkin in the near future.

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:51 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

I couldn’t believe how amateurish and immature Wilkin was on that podcast. I won’t be listening to anything associated with Wilkin in the near future.

The guy is a grade a gobs***e and stealing a living

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:45 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I thought the takeover was from 1st November?

You could be right. When can we expect our next signing to be announced Brian?

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:07 am  

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-league/mike-danson-honoured-to-take-over-as-wigan-warriors-owner-following-ian-lenagan-decision-4219969December 1st Danson takes over

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-league/mike-danson-honoured-to-take-over-as-wigan-warriors-owner-following-ian-lenagan-decision-4219969December 1st Danson takes over

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:45 pm  

muttywhitedog wrote:

I take it that there was some form of compensation paid to us by either the club or the player to allow him to leave mid-contract?

Failing that, I take it we have a first option on when he returns to the UK and one that will be a little more watertight than the one GW managed to get out of.

Compensation paid to Smithies for leaving a contract early and getting a better contract?

What on earth are you talking about.

With regards to the first refusal option, its still up to the player to agree that they want to go back to the club. All the club can do is offer what they believe is a fair deal, the player may want a different challenge, more money or to live in a different area...

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:50 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Compensation paid to Smithies for leaving a contract early and getting a better contract?

What on earth are you talking about.

With regards to the first refusal option, its still up to the player to agree that they want to go back to the club. All the club can do is offer what they believe is a fair deal, the player may want a different challenge, more money or to live in a different area...

I think you need read it again there Nathan, he said paid ‘by’ Smithies, not to Smithies.

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:55 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I think you need read it again there Nathan, he said paid ‘by’ Smithies, not to Smithies.

You are right, thank you for pointing out.

Still a bit of a ridiculous statement nonetheless as the club have agreed to it.

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:51 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

You are right, thank you for pointing out.

Still a bit of a ridiculous statement nonetheless as the club have agreed to it.

Not ridiculous at all. The reason it was agreed was because we were compensated to the figure we agreed on.