Re: Big rule changes : Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:08 am  

The one I find interesting is were it says that the defensive line can only move when the player touches the ball with his heel at the play the ball. Considering very few players touch the ball with their foot at the play the ball this leaves it open to interpretation from the ref, who we are supposed to be trying to help. I know that it says there will be a clampdown on incorrect play the balls with players being told that they must make a genuine attempt to touch the ball with their foot, but this has always been the rule anyway. I think the wording "genuine attempt" should be removed and that it should read " has to touch the ball " with their foot. Otherwise refs will be slated all season whenever the ball is rolled through the legs and a penalty isn't given and then a try is scored from the resulting play. Let's face it playing the ball with the foot was always a basic of the game and shouldn't be hard for any player. Unfortunately in our rush to embrace speeding up everything about the game we have let a basic skill fall to the wayside.

Re: Big rule changes : Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:53 am  

RobRiches wrote:

Wigans game plan of getting as many players to flop and lie on as possible is now out of the window. Well, if the pro Wigan refs actually enforce it

But they don't have play the balls in union, which is the sport you actually watch, so why does it even warrant you commenting? Oh that's right, I forgot... because you're a sad individual with too much time on their hands. As you were...

Re: Big rule changes : Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:49 am  

I was listening to an episode of a Phil Gould podcast, they were talking about some penalties for play the ball offences and Gould spoke about how teams were training to exploit defences by moving sideways at the PTB to give the impression that the defenders were not square and then there was a discussion around the teams training to exploit the rules.

Re: Big rule changes : Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:23 am  

RobRiches wrote:

Wigans game plan of getting as many players to flop and lie on as possible is now out of the window. Well, if the pro Wigan refs actually enforce it

Hearing rumours Matty Lees has retired

Re: Big rule changes : Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:26 pm  

These rules will probably affect us more than any other team. I've not seen any stats but we must be the most penalised team at giving away six agains in the opposition 40m. We don't tighten up on that and we'll be constantly giving away terrority and marched downfield.

We also have Walmsley who doesn't play the ball properly most of the time so we could be pinged for that a lot initially too.

On the plus side if the speed of the ruck increases, Clark is as good a 9 as any with a running threat. For all Roby was unbelievable, his running game was practically non-existent these past few years. Having a mobile pack with the likes of Lees, Delaney, Batchelor and Matautia should also suit the new rules so its not all doom and gloom.

Re: Big rule changes : Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:17 pm  

This change, if policed properly, will suit the faster teams. The cleaner the ruck, the sooner the ball gets to the speedy backs against less set defences. It will suit us just fine, despite the wishful thinking from certain quarters.

I wonder if the Leeming signing was on the back of knowing that these changes were coming. No one is quicker out of dummy half than him and, when you compare to Powell, it certainly seems a deliberate change of approach.

Re: Big rule changes : Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:44 pm  

The change to the 18th man is potentially significant. Previously they could only come on after 3 failed HIAs, now they can be used after 2 HIA failures, or injuries caused by foul play, resulting in a Yellow/Red card, where the player will not return to the game.

Re: Big rule changes : Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:19 pm  

Will be fun watching Walmsley navigating the PTB when he has stepped of the mark by 2 metres and told to go back to start again as he never plays it properly anyway and now he has the added pressure to PTB correctly.

We have poss the fastest backline and if the ruck is speeded up it will be of a massive benefit to Wigan.

Re: Big rule changes : Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:55 am  

CM Punk wrote:

The change to the 18th man is potentially significant. Previously they could only come on after 3 failed HIAs, now they can be used after 2 HIA failures, or injuries caused by foul play, resulting in a Yellow/Red card, where the player will not return to the game.

Whilst I agree that it is better, for me a team should be allowed to use the 18th man after the first failed HIA.

Re: Big rule changes : Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:59 am  

I'm fine with the changes .... I thought most was in the rules anyway just not policed fully. The 6 again is right the stepping off the mark to side and forward has been exploited already and was getting worse. The 18th man should come into effect on any HIA or player lost to foul play, penalty for the incident or put on report should qualify as at least then the team infringed against get some reward, I can live with the odd time it's wrong call especially with all matches being on TV which should help.