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Andrew Flintoff Retires : Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:11 pm  
I guess it was inevitable really.

Right up there with Botham and McGrath as one of England's best all rounders in modern times, I just hope he doesn't go down the Hatton/Gazza route now he doesn't have the focus of playing, or trying to.
I guess it was inevitable really.

Right up there with Botham and McGrath as one of England's best all rounders in modern times, I just hope he doesn't go down the Hatton/Gazza route now he doesn't have the focus of playing, or trying to.
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Re: Andrew Flintoff Retires : Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:15 pm  
Shame that, but with the way he bowls any problems with his knees were always going to be difficult to overcome.

I get the feeling that from an England point of view the selectors have already moved on and I suspect Lancashire may have done the same expecting this day to come sooner rather than later.
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Re: Andrew Flintoff Retires : Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:36 pm  
Did you know he likes a few drinks? Hilarious!
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Re: Andrew Flintoff Retires : Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:12 pm  
Top, top player. As a bowler he was outstanding for England and never quite got the amount of wickets he deserved. He also played a huge part in our two recent Ashes wins.

Good luck to him.
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Re: Andrew Flintoff Retires : Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:17 pm  
Am I right in thinking that he vaguely follows Wigan (RLFC)? I know he's a Man City fan.
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Re: Andrew Flintoff Retires : Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:38 pm  
A brilliant bowler at times for England but never as good an all-rounder as some say. Figures and stat-wise you could very fairly argue that he fell a long-way short of greatness, in both spheres of the game. Batting average of 32ish and bowling average of 33 with just 5 centuries and 3x 5 wicket innings' are well short of true great all-rounders such as Sobers, Botham, Imran Khan and Kallis.

Absolutely no loss for Lancashire neither has he's hardly played 5 games for us over the past 5 years as it is.

Good luck to him though, he's made plenty of money and doesn't need to make any kind of playing comeback at all.
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Re: Andrew Flintoff Retires : Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:54 pm  
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Am I right in thinking that he vaguely follows Wigan (RLFC)? I know he's a Man City fan.


He's a Preston fan.

Good luck to him. Really good player. Nowhere near Beefy though. He was really good, but not a great.
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Re: Andrew Flintoff Retires : Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:55 pm  
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Good luck to him though, he's made plenty of money and doesn't need to make any kind of playing comeback at all.


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Re: Andrew Flintoff Retires : Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:18 pm  
Ordsall Quays Red wrote:
A brilliant bowler at times for England but never as good an all-rounder as some say. Figures and stat-wise you could very fairly argue that he fell a long-way short of greatness, in both spheres of the game. Batting average of 32ish and bowling average of 33 with just 5 centuries and 3x 5 wicket innings' are well short of true great all-rounders such as Sobers, Botham, Imran Khan and Kallis.

Absolutely no loss for Lancashire neither has he's hardly played 5 games for us over the past 5 years as it is.

Good luck to him though, he's made plenty of money and doesn't need to make any kind of playing comeback at all.



Agreed, his stats do not make him a great but that was largely due to his poor attitude early in his career, when he was only a mediocre all rounder at best. However the latter years propelled him into super stardom. He was arguably the most feared fast bowler on the planet when he was on his game and fit for a couple or three years. His presence and aura also made him something special.

Obviously he will be remembered for the greatest Ashes series of them all, and he certainly was Michael Vaughan's 'go to' man and Australia could not handle him. With that in mind, for my mind he does go down as a great and it's a real shame he was not in his prime for long enough :(

His stats could've been so much better.
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Re: Andrew Flintoff Retires : Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:21 pm  
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Am I right in thinking that he vaguely follows Wigan (RLFC)? I know he's a Man City fan.


He has been at Saints twice from memory. He was on the big screen.
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