Re: Royal Ascot 2011 : Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:38 pm  

Live Wired wrote:

don't you just love these hype-horses? Nice profit on the race, could have been more if I took Planteur on...But the horse has been on the go for months, he needs a rest, and yet o' Brien is thinking about the Eclipse. MADNESS. Regarding the winner, personally, I'd aim him straight at the Arc, he will take months to recover, and alongside St Nicholas Abbey, is lay material in KG back at Ascot.

Regarding Frankel, he's being aimed at the International at York. NO,NO,NO, he does not settle well enough, even more lay material...

You seem to like going after the well backed horses, its an interesting system but very risky against top class horses

Well played today though I wouldn't be backing So You Think at the odds thats why it went in a treble.

Going off your stakes yesterday though against Canford and Goldi an today there wouldn't be much difference between back or laying the selections

Re: Royal Ascot 2011 : Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:41 pm  

Live Wired wrote:

Plenty of trainers do just that, especially o'Brien, don't forget Coolmore are all about breeding, it would have been 1 hell of a stud fee for SYT if he had won. Regarding "hype", take Frankel; Since Mister Baileys in 93, 10 horses have clocked faster times than Frankel in the Guineas, in the St James's Palace Stakes, 7 have clocked faster times than Frankel since Grand Lodge in 94, most of which will be run on good, fast ground, and yet, Frankel has been hyped up as the next Pegasus.

Imo, this year's 3yos are a poor bunch, with Frankel the best of the lot.

You think Frankel is overhyped because of his times?

Have a look at how quick he covers 3-4f nothing can live with it.

Re: Royal Ascot 2011 : Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:00 pm  

Cant get onto betfair atm to show my results, but laying the front 2 in the place market in fields between 5-7 runners, has proved profitable for me, away from Ascot yesterday, results at sp were;

2.15 thirsk- 2 unplaced at 11/8 at 3/1
6.00 brighton- 2 unplaced at 11/8 and 9/4
6.30 brighton- 1 placed at 9/4, 1 placed at 9/4
7.35 newton abbot- 1 placed at 1/1, 1 unplaced at 3/1.

All place prices were odds on.

Re: Royal Ascot 2011 : Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:06 pm  

Wire_85 wrote:

You think Frankel is overhyped because of his times?

Have a look at how quick he covers 3-4f nothing can live with it.

Thats why I would like to see him over 6f, but I dont think his racetimes deserve the ratings and the plaudits he's received. Just my opinion, that I will be happy to bet by in future. Regarding his next target, The Sussex stakes would suit him better than the Jacques le Marois, I'd even bet him to beat Canford Cliffs.

Re: Royal Ascot 2011 : Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:36 pm  

Live Wired wrote:

Thats why I would like to see him over 6f, but I dont think his racetimes deserve the ratings and the plaudits he's received. Just my opinion, that I will be happy to bet by in future. Regarding his next target, The Sussex stakes would suit him better than the Jacques le Marois, I'd even bet him to beat Canford Cliffs.

It'll never happen, that's why Cecil laughed at Rishi yesterday when he suggested it. Why run Frankel over 6? imagine how devastating he'd be if he was dropped in and let loose 4 out, he'd thrash any opposition. Luckily Cecil doesn't have the same thoughts.

worthing wire wrote:

As for today, Dettori gets a nine day ban for thrashing the living poop out of Rewilding in winning by a neck. Not sure that this makes the result acceptable, myself.

Course it does, Dettori deserved his ban for hitting Rewilding 24 times in 2 furlongs and the stewards have done a good job but you can't say the horse doesn't deserve the win, that's unfair, he's battled with everything he has for 3f to catch and beat SYT and fully deserves the victory. He didn't just win because Dettori was excessive with his whip.

Re: Royal Ascot 2011 : Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:48 pm  

24 times in 2 furlongs?! Jesus. The press had a field day when the National Hunt boys were "guility" of lesser "crimes", I wonder if this will be brushed under the carpet in comparison because this is "Royal" Ascot and our hero Frankie?

Re: Royal Ascot 2011 : Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:57 pm  

Dave Lister wrote:

24 times in 2 furlongs?! Jesus. The press had a field day when the National Hunt boys were "guility" of lesser "crimes", I wonder if this will be brushed under the carpet in comparison because this is "Royal" Ascot and our hero Frankie?

The press where up in arms because horses died in the Grand National, there is a planned investigation into the use of the whip for October. The press will take no interest in Dettori's ban, just like the Grand National uproar went quiet on by the following Monday.

Re: Royal Ascot 2011 : Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:01 pm  

Dan_FC wrote:

The press where up in arms because horses died in the Grand National, there is a planned investigation into the use of the whip for October. The press will take no interest in Dettori's ban, just like the Grand National uproar went quiet on by the following Monday.

There was a piece on the BBC national news about the use of the whip on Monday or Tuesday evening (can't remember). Idiots like Dettori do no favours to the racing purist who understands the use of the whip.

Re: Royal Ascot 2011 : Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:06 pm  

Hughes spoke a lot of sense about whip use in the RP the other week. He briefly outlined the rules in India (where he rides over the winter) and it did make a lot of sense. His column has been excellent reading - he does talk a lot of sense.

I think it was something along these lines...Horse only allowed to be hit certain amount of times in a certain distance or something, a breach sees the jockey fined and if they break their three strikes then they are banned from using a whip for a certain length of time (can be around a month) which, in effect, will probably see them having to stand down for the duration.

A lot of people just like to bash racing though because of the whip without knowing anything about it. Hughes said in the same column that it is the noise of the whip that gets the horse to switch on, it doesn't hurt them to be hit with it and he said he would stand with his pants down at Newmarket and have his backside whipped for half an hour to prove it doesn't hurt. Presumably by Emma Spencer or Suzi Perry and not Clare Balding.

Make no mistake, Rewilding will probably need a decent break now - he ran his heart out today.

Dan_FC wrote:

It'll never happen, that's why Cecil laughed at Rishi yesterday when he suggested it.

Thats all he is any good for, I cringe every time the berk opens his mouth.

Pompous, smarmy prat.


My selections could change for tomorrow nearer to the off. Banimpire has had a lot of running so far this year, like the look of Rumh too. Holberg will probably be ground dependant. Might have a big lay on Fame.

Re: Royal Ascot 2011 : Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:16 pm  

andym1988 wrote:

Hughes spoke a lot of sense about whip use in the RP the other week. He briefly outlined the rules in India (where he rides over the winter) and it did make a lot of sense. His column has been excellent reading - he does talk a lot of sense.

I think it was something along these lines...Horse only allowed to be hit certain amount of times in a certain distance or something, a breach sees the jockey fined and if they break their three strikes then they are banned from using a whip for a certain length of time (can be around a month) which, in effect, will probably see them having to stand down for the duration.

Make no mistake, Rewilding will probably need a decent break now - he ran his heart out today.

Exactly, no matter what Dettori did with the whip it was rewilding that gave everything to wear down and get infront of SYT. Apparently you're allowed to hit a horse 13 times within two furlongs in Britain, obviously Dettori was way that.

andym1988 wrote:

Thats all he is any good for, I cringe every time the berk opens his mouth.

Pompous, smarmy prat.

you mean Rishi?