Re: The Football Chat Thread : Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:22 am  

I love how people refuse to put any form of context into their criticism of Dalglish. Dalglish deserves criticism, like any manager whose side gets beaten or woefully underperforms; however, the calling for equal treatment to Roy is weird.

Roy was appointed by Purslow against the will of most supporters and, apparently, Dalglish himself. Roy was a stop-gap appointment, he was there to oversee the sale of the club. There was never any desire to support Roy at the club, he's an average manager who came to Liverpool and deflated our supporters and removed all expectation. He had snide pops at countries where we have a strong fan base (Norway, Denmark), he set his sides out to play mediocre football and a draw was generally the aim in most games. He played rank football, his pressers were embarrassingly morbid and he was generally a figure our supporters never wanted to support.

Now, Kenny comes in, a club legend, a manager who's achieved just about everything with the club, there isn't a man held in higher esteem for half of the City and all of our fan base. He's iconic and he came in and freshened things up, Roy was gone and so was Roy's brand of football. We've started the season well and the game yesterday was our first truly poor performance, asking for his removal, or expecting Liverpool fans to ask for his removal, is embarrassingly dim. I wouldn't mind if you could just say "it's banter", but the way it is brought up after every single result that isn't a win, is embarrassing.

As for those calling him tactically poor and so on, we beat Chelsea away last year and battered United at home, there was no cries of poor tactics then. Kenny's no Sacchi, but he has us playing a good brand of football that I believe, over the course of this season at least, will be effective enough to achieve our target, which is the top 4.


As for yesterday's game, I only saw parts of it as I was working. From what I did see (about 20th minute to half-time), we were doing OK. The game was even even after Adam got sent off, it went downhill in the second half apparently, but these things happen. We move on and we look for the solution.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:00 am  

Roddy B wrote:

Chelsea away last year and battered United at home, there was no cries of poor tactics then..

Roy guided you to a win against Chelsea, where the cries of Roy being a crap manager then? Works both ways Rob. Liverpool fans are blinded because Dalglish did well years ago. The ship has been steadied, mainly due to the respect he has earned. Also take into account that he has £110 million in less than a year.(I know he has recouped quite a bit). Still has brought his own players in and spunked £35 million on a long haired, Geordie pissshead and you are on a level footing with Everton at the minute, and I spent more than them this morning in the SPAR. As for yesterdays game, they were allover from the 1st minute, no pace in your midfield is a huge problem. Mr Ed can't do it all on his own up front. Need pace.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:16 am  

Nikaed wrote:

Roy guided you to a win against Chelsea, where the cries of Roy being a crap manager then? Works both ways Rob. Liverpool fans are blinded because Dalglish did well years ago. The ship has been steadied, mainly due to the respect he has earned. Also take into account that he has £110 million in less than a year.(I know he has recouped quite a bit). Still has brought his own players in and spunked £35 million on a long haired, Geordie pissshead and you are on a level footing with Everton at the minute, and I spent more than them this morning in the SPAR. As for yesterdays game, they were allover from the 1st minute, no pace in your midfield is a huge problem. Mr Ed can't do it all on his own up front. Need pace.

The cries of Roy being a crap manager were there all summer and continued throughout the season. Dalglish will obviously get a more favourable view from fans, but if you can't understand why, or you want to mock them for it, then you're making yourself look a bit silly, because every Liverpool fan will admit they will give Dalglish more leeway than they did Roy, but they will always be adamant that Roy was never ever wanted by fans, whereas Dalglish's relationship with our support is well known.

As for Everton, they've had easier fixtures than us and one of their wins was through a flukey penalty at Blackburn. Arsenal, Stoke and Spurs away will probably be our hardest away days after United, City and Chelsea.

I've said before, Mark, I think the main person who's headed our transfer activity has been Comolli. Dalglish will be involved, of course, but Comolli has been given the role of controlling our ins and outs. If Carroll works out as a complete flop (and you must give him a bit of time, we are still in September) then I'm sure Kenny/Comolli will hold their hands up and accept it and sell him on.

As for the game at Spurs, as I said, I only seen the last 25 mins of the first half. We were doing OK until the red card, the second half I never seen but I'm sure you're right when you say our midfield is too slow. I've said before, Adam was a decent player for Blackpool but the step up to what we want is huge. He'll take time to settle, he's only had one season in the premier league, so he isn't experienced. I said it before on here and I'll say it again, we'll regret letting both Aquilani and Meireles go. (anyone see Aquilani's header yesterday? Stunning.)

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:51 am  

Roddy B wrote:

The cries of Roy being a crap manager were there all summer and continued throughout the season. Dalglish will obviously get a more favourable view from fans, but if you can't understand why, or you want to mock them for it, then you're making yourself look a bit silly, because every Liverpool fan will admit they will give Dalglish more leeway than they did Roy, but they will always be adamant that Roy was never ever wanted by fans, whereas Dalglish's relationship with our support is well known.

As for Everton, they've had easier fixtures than us and one of their wins was through a flukey penalty at Blackburn. Arsenal, Stoke and Spurs away will probably be our hardest away days after United, City and Chelsea.

I've said before, Mark, I think the main person who's headed our transfer activity has been Comolli. Dalglish will be involved, of course, but Comolli has been given the role of controlling our ins and outs. If Carroll works out as a complete flop (and you must give him a bit of time, we are still in September) then I'm sure Kenny/Comolli will hold their hands up and accept it and sell him on.

As for the game at Spurs, as I said, I only seen the last 25 mins of the first half. We were doing OK until the red card, the second half I never seen but I'm sure you're right when you say our midfield is too slow. I've said before, Adam was a decent player for Blackpool but the step up to what we want is huge. He'll take time to settle, he's only had one season in the premier league, so he isn't experienced. I said it before on here and I'll say it again, we'll regret letting both Aquilani and Meireles go. (anyone see Aquilani's header yesterday? Stunning.)

Should have signed Cavani not Carroll. Just watching Napoli and Milan, don't know the score so watching as live. Aquilani just scored e top header. Cavani just levelled.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:18 pm  

Nikaed wrote:

Should have signed Cavani not Carroll. Just watching Napoli and Milan, don't know the score so watching as live. Aquilani just scored e top header. Cavani just levelled.

I watched it up to the Cavani equaliser. I know the result so I'll leave you to enjoy. Cavani or Llorente would have been preferred over Carroll, can't imagine why we never went for either.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:05 pm  

Nikaed wrote:

Decent result for United, lucky one though. Chelsea were very good and Torres looked lively. Who is Dalglish gonna blame this week? two losses in 8 days. Kenny out.

Our worst performance so far but still scored three and missed three sitters so not all bad.

Jones looks like the signing of the season to me, fantastic player.

Dalglish had no one to blame so he said nothing!

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:34 pm  

A few points from the Spurs - Liverpool game.

Regardless of the 2 sendings off, we'd ahve been smashed either way yesterday. Henderson and Adam looked absolutely lost in the mdifield and the decision to play a narrow 4-3-3 exposing a makeshift right back against Bale was criminal. Kuyt had to start that game yesterday and play with a 4-5-1. it's all right going out gung ho in every game but sometimes you need to cut your cloth accordingly and play with a defensive mentality. Felt bad for Lucas as he was trying to do the job of 3 men for most of the match. I must say that Adam's first yellow card was extremely harsh and it was Henderson who was pulling Bale back for the first foul although I didn't spot it at the time. At 1-0 I'd have sacrificied Carroll and Downing (who didn't give up playing a foreign position) and broguht Bellamy and Kuyt on who will run all day.

It's one off day and no one is calling for Kennys head. I wil say that if that sort of performance/tactial set up had been given under Roy there'd be a march on Anfield today. Luckily, we've moved on from that and we can get back to winning ways against Wolves on Saturday....the derby is looking tasty in a couple of weeks now....

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:03 pm  

PAUL M wrote:

Our worst performance so far but still scored three and missed three sitters so not all bad.

Jones looks like the signing of the season to me, fantastic player.

Dalglish had no one to blame so he said nothing!

Jones looks a prospect, and looks fabulous with the ball at his feat, if I were to be critical when defending he could do with just putting the ball into touch occasionally, his strange header across goal gave Van Persie his goal and he clomped a silly pass across the area yesterday too, granted he wasn't the only one.

Nice to see him and other players looking comfortable on the ball though and running at people.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:45 pm  

Liverpool have conceded seven goals after five Premier League games this season, just as they had in both 2010-11 & 2009-10.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:01 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

Liverpool have conceded seven goals after five Premier League games this season, just as they had in both 2010-11 & 2009-10.

Obsessed.