Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:01 pm  

Nikaed wrote: Classic http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/ ... 84179.html http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/ ... 81438.html http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/ ... 84178.html http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/ ... 81210.html There you go. One result even being away at Stoke last year. Rooney not playing isn't the issue, not having the league's best defender in Vidic or our most consistent defender this year in Evans also doesn't help. Think before posting absolute crap. Rooney not playing is the issue because 'you' are nowhere near as good without him. I say 'you'. I mean Man Utd. Seeing as you live in Wales and support a team from a different country. Typical Man Utd fan really. Let me guess, your great grandfathers brothers uncles cat, came from Trafford.

Nikaed wrote: Classic http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/ ... 84179.html http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/ ... 81438.html http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/ ... 84178.html http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/ ... 81210.html There you go. One result even being away at Stoke last year. Rooney not playing isn't the issue, not having the league's best defender in Vidic or our most consistent defender this year in Evans also doesn't help. Think before posting absolute crap. Rooney not playing is the issue because 'you' are nowhere near as good without him. I say 'you'. I mean Man Utd. Seeing as you live in Wales and support a team from a different country. Typical Man Utd fan really. Let me guess, your great grandfathers brothers uncles cat, came from Trafford.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:15 pm  

Tevez is a tvvat. Everyone knew that. He certainly wouldn't have left Old Trafford for Citeh if he wasn't.

But the thing is, as a footballer he is a player who pretty much gives everything when he plays. He wants to be playing for Citeh, but he hasn't been played. He's sub against Bayern, which will obviously displease him. Citeh go 2-0 down, and then Mancini wants to send him on. In some ways I can understand why Tevez does want to tell Mancini to screw himself. Mancini's selections led to the 2-0 defeat, Mancini then wants to put Tevez on to rescue the situation.

I've said this many times, but the Chelsea players can be champions but they also have the capacity to act like a 4 letter c word as well. It depends on the situation and how they perceive they've been treated. If they are lead by someone they don't think deserves to be in the position then they will act up to get rid of him. If they have someone they respect and agree with they will run through the proverbial brick wall for them.

Tevez was totally clear with his wish to leave Citeh in the summer. He's still there. I don't know the reasons behind that, but everyone knows that it's a problem if you keep a player who wants to leave.

Because Tevez is at Citeh he seems to want to play. He hasn't been played much. He's not happy about that either. But everyone knows that most players are upset to be left out of the team. Clubs want players to not be happy being out of the side because it means everyone is competing for places.

There's no doubt that Tevez wants a slap for acting as he did. But it isn't as black and white as it's been painted IMO.

I do think though that it's Citeh's problem to solve. Looking through the headlines some FIFA officials are weighing in and saying they want Citeh to bring them in to help punish Tevez. What the hell ever.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:21 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

But it isn't as black and white as it's been painted IMO.

It's not, but not on City's side. He is a player who signed for them knowing what Manchester was like having lived there whilst playing for United. They've given him a bumper deal and easily enough money to relocate his family.

Yet he chooses to throw his toys out of the pram and demand a move. He claims it's because of his family, but he has enough money to bring them over here. And he makes it worse by demanding a move to Spain or Italy, which last time I looked was even further away.

Granted though, there might be more than 2 restaurants in Milan or Madrid I guess.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:46 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

It's not, but not on City's side. He is a player who signed for them knowing what Manchester was like having lived there whilst playing for United. They've given him a bumper deal and easily enough money to relocate his family.

Yet he chooses to throw his toys out of the pram and demand a move. He claims it's because of his family, but he has enough money to bring them over here. And he makes it worse by demanding a move to Spain or Italy, which last time I looked was even further away.

Granted though, there might be more than 2 restaurants in Milan or Madrid I guess.

His family that he refers to is an ex-partner isn't it, and she supposedly won't move to England as she can't speak the language (hence he wants to go to Spain).

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:03 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

It's not, but not on City's side. He is a player who signed for them knowing what Manchester was like having lived there whilst playing for United. They've given him a bumper deal and easily enough money to relocate his family.

Yet he chooses to throw his toys out of the pram and demand a move. He claims it's because of his family, but he has enough money to bring them over here. And he makes it worse by demanding a move to Spain or Italy, which last time I looked was even further away.

Granted though, there might be more than 2 restaurants in Milan or Madrid I guess.

But what if his wife/gf/baby mamma are refusing to live in Manchester? They'll live in Milan, Barcelona or Madrid (or possibly London at a push) but they refuse to move if it's to Manchester.

Citeh knew that the player they were buying was someone with issues. I know that everyone blames West Ham totally for the nonsense surrounding their shared ownership, but Tevez and Mascherano sold themselves off like whores in the first place.

When did you last look at the distances?

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:15 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Tevez is a tvvat. Everyone knew that. He certainly wouldn't have left Old Trafford for Citeh if he wasn't.

But the thing is, as a footballer he is a player who pretty much gives everything when he plays. He wants to be playing for Citeh, but he hasn't been played. He's sub against Bayern, which will obviously displease him. Citeh go 2-0 down, and then Mancini wants to send him on. In some ways I can understand why Tevez does want to tell Mancini to screw himself. Mancini's selections led to the 2-0 defeat, Mancini then wants to put Tevez on to rescue the situation.

I've said this many times, but the Chelsea players can be champions but they also have the capacity to act like a 4 letter c word as well. It depends on the situation and how they perceive they've been treated. If they are lead by someone they don't think deserves to be in the position then they will act up to get rid of him. If they have someone they respect and agree with they will run through the proverbial brick wall for them.

Tevez was totally clear with his wish to leave Citeh in the summer. He's still there. I don't know the reasons behind that, but everyone knows that it's a problem if you keep a player who wants to leave.

Because Tevez is at Citeh he seems to want to play. He hasn't been played much. He's not happy about that either. But everyone knows that most players are upset to be left out of the team. Clubs want players to not be happy being out of the side because it means everyone is competing for places.

There's no doubt that Tevez wants a slap for acting as he did. But it isn't as black and white as it's been painted IMO.

I do think though that it's Citeh's problem to solve. Looking through the headlines some FIFA officials are weighing in and saying they want Citeh to bring them in to help punish Tevez. What the hell ever.

There are two reasons why Tevez hasn't played. Firstly he made it perfectly clear that he wanted to leave the club. City agreed to his request and bought a replacement in Aguero. The priority since has been to fit Aguero into the team. Its feasible that City could accommodate both players alongside Dzeko, Silva, Nasri & Balotelli but it makes no sense to try to do so whilst Tevez still wants to leave the club. Even without this incident its still likely that he'd be off in January.

Secondly, he isnt fit. He came back from his post Copa America break severely over weight and, apparently, hasnt put a lot of effort into remedying the situation. On the few occasions that he has featured he's made the msitake of taking his shirt off at the end of the match to reveal more flab than I have. And he isnt the type of player that can play anywhere near his best when not in top condition.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:43 pm  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Tevez's partner live over here, but he split up with her/cheated on her, so she went back home with his kid(s)?

Remember reading something along those lines whilst he was still a United player.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:31 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Tevez's partner live over here, but he split up with her/cheated on her, so she went back home with his kid(s)?

Remember reading something along those lines whilst he was still a United player.

Back when there was the whole "Team Bridge" nonsense at Citeh (and Tevez was one of the Team Bridgers) there was a story that he was shacked up in a hotel for a week with one of his women while the other was at home pregnant.

Like I said, the guy has always been a massive tvvat.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:33 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

I think the main dislike of City is/was that they were a crap club that weren't doing anything excellent other than raising homegrown players. For them to get multimillion (billion?) pounds investment just stank of real unfairness. I don't know enough about the history of British football to know who dominated what era through whatever investment, but what I do know is City weren't a club deserving of such an investment. As if getting that stadium wasn't enough, they got arguably the richest owners in football to come and completely change their side.

Me personally, I don't have a huge dislike for City. I don't think it's fair that they're on such a different level to everybody else financially, but what makes it worse is they done absolutely nothing to contribute to that as a club. They weren't a club with a massive fan base, they weren't a club that competed, they were mediocre at best but now they get to escape that through the ambition of a bored Arab.

As for their players being mercenaries. Most footballers (or humans) will always go for more money, it's the whole point of working. I think the main problem most people had was these footballers sacrificed their short-term ambition for money, something very few agree with or generally view as 'false'. e.g. Most people believe when a player goes to their club, they go there because they wanted to, or they wanted to win, but with a lot of City's players, the general impression was their decision was purely financial.

I do fear them, they have one of the world's deepest squads and they can expand on that at will. It is something to be scared of because it raises competition to levels beyond the realms of what we view as normality. Until we end up like America, where we have salary caps, transfer fees mean little and contracts mean a bit more, we'll simply have to accept that a club like City can hit jackpot and surpass all around them using little skill or ability. Although football has been getting way out of hand for the past couple of decades, I think some supporters still clung on to the hope of football being the 'working class' sport, but with the image of the modern footballer - and football club - changing, it's gradually becoming the sport of the flash celebrity.

One of the best posts ever to grace this forum.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:36 pm  

Karlos13 wrote:

One of the best posts ever to grace this forum.

Agreed.

RE: Tevez

Will end up at Malaga in Janurary. Watch this space.