Re: The Football Chat Thread : Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:02 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

something that's politically incorrect and extremely controversial,

Racism is just wrong. Politically incorrect or controversial doesn't come into it. I'm sure that's what you meant to say but I felt the need to make it clear that racism in the form that's been suggested is pretty much morally indefensible.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:39 pm  

Conroy wrote:

EDIT - so he's slightly on, but I stand by my point

I'm in the Bill Shankly camp when it comes to offsides, keep the rules simple.

Bit of an eye opener this CL lark. Thought Villareal would be fairly straightforward but they were miles better than anything we've faced in the league. We were really sloppy in our passing, need to tighten up if we're to get any further.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:03 pm  

McClennan wrote:

Racism is just wrong. Politically incorrect or controversial doesn't come into it. I'm sure that's what you meant to say but I felt the need to make it clear that racism in the form that's been suggested is pretty much morally indefensible.

Of course it is, I was just trying differentiate it from the usual things managers defend their players for. If Suarez is found guilty, I'd hope the club and the authorities would come heavily on him. If he's proven to have called it him ten times, I'd like to see a ban lasting at least until the new year, if not longer. I know he's a Liverpool player, but if he was found guilty, he should be made an example of for the entire sport globally. I just find it extremely hard to believe that, in today's era, any player would do such a thing under cameras with such repetition. It defies logic, if there was a mix up between the languages, I could understand, but he's being accused of calling him a 'n****r' ten+ times, it should be pretty easy to prove if he's done it.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:28 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

but he's being accused of calling him a 'n****r' ten+ times, it should be pretty easy to prove if he's done it.

Should it? I haven't looked into this story much, I've been to hyped by the brilliant McFadden signing, if there was no camera on them at the time or a clear picture of what was said how can it be easy to prove one way or the other?

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

I'm going to sound like a McFadden fan here and a supporter of this move, but let's face it, he never really got a consistant run at Everton the first time round, mainly through a combination of his own frustrating form, injuries and Moyes's preference for players who run around like headless chickens over 'flair' players.

I think if all the squad is fit then McFadden (rightly) doesn't get a game, but he becomes a useful asset if injuries strike....I'd prefer McFadden in a starting line-up than having Vellios over-played, which is something you have to be careful about with promising, young players.

You have a point, and make it well but I just don't think he's good enough for the Premier League now, he wasn't much first time around and after a serious injury and lack of games I can't see how he'll have improved. He was lazy, moody, didn't work hard enough or score enough. If he comes here and sits on the bench until he's needed then it's not bad but I hope, once he's fit, he doesn't walk into the team.

As for Vellios he's now 19, he'll be 20 in January, it's time he was playing more than 10 minutes here and 5 minutes there. Each time he's played this season he's looked good, scored twice and seems to be a hrd worker, keen and have plenty of ability. He looks like he has it and we should be nurturing him through rather than bringing gash like Faddy back.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:57 am  

Dan_FC wrote:

Should it? I haven't looked into this story much, I've been to hyped by the brilliant McFadden signing, if there was no camera on them at the time or a clear picture of what was said how can it be easy to prove one way or the other?

Well there are generally always cameras there or thereabouts with players. Not only that, but if he's said it ten times, there will be evidence from other players to support the view. If it was one snide comment like Busquets' 'mono' to Marcelo, it could be harder to prove and back up, but saying it ten times, at least one other player and/or camera must have caught it.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:49 am  

Cibaman wrote:

I'm in the Bill Shankly camp when it comes to offsides, keep the rules simple.

Bit of an eye opener this CL lark. Thought Villareal would be fairly straightforward but they were miles better than anything we've faced in the league. We were really sloppy in our passing, need to tighten up if we're to get any further.

Man United have played them four times the past few years and I don't think have beaten them once.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:28 am  

Sir Oliver Popplewell, you are an utter turd, sir.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:43 am  

What do the fans of the Manchester clubs think will happen on Sunday? Must say I'm looking forward to a great game. How will United set up? Will it be attack minded or will they put 10 men behind the ball and play for a point, due to City's more gifted midfield? Think we know what City will bring and if Aguero is fully fit I certainly see them scoring. Not wanting to be dramatic but what would a City win mean for Manchester? Would City fans believe that the tide has turned or is it too early in the season?

Can't wait.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:25 am  

Catalancs wrote:

Sir Oliver Popplewell, you are an utter turd, sir.

I wonder if his theory would change if a member of his family had been involved that day?

And I thought Bruce Forsyth was a shining beacon of the fact that just because you are called 'Sir' it doesn't stop you being a clueless, stupid old tvvat....

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:57 am  

More excellence from Jonathan Wilson in the Guardian about the competitiveness of respective football leagues.

More excellence from Jonathan Wilson in the Guardian about the competitiveness of respective football leagues.