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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:33 pm  
I'm not justifying the decision, but I don't think it's as clear cut as people like to make out. Yeah, massive game, ruined the occasion etc., but that has sod all to do with what was actually an orange card offence.
I've seen much less given a red, I've seen red cards purely for being reckless without the contact.

Felt like United were always going through up until the decision, but they collapsed after the red card. As soon as Madrid went two up they knew it was over and cruised, they could easily have turned it on and made a mockery out of it but the occasion didn't call for it.

Some cracking stuff on Twitter about Keane tonight, really tickles me up.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:47 pm  
Roddy B wrote:
I'm not justifying the decision, but I don't think it's as clear cut as people like to make out. Yeah, massive game, ruined the occasion etc., but that has sod all to do with what was actually an orange card offence.
I've seen much less given a red, I've seen red cards purely for being reckless without the contact.


The fact that we've seen referees give even worse decisions in the past shouldn't be an excuse for this mistake tonight. It was blatantly obvious Nani was trying to control the ball and was not in any way intending to hurt anyone. Show some common sense and show him a yellow. Or better still show him nothing and just give a free kick. The game was played in a really good spirit and it's daft that a player was sent off and decided the outcome. The ref should be punished for it and banned for a long time, if just for his arrogance.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:22 pm  
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The fact that we've seen referees give even worse decisions in the past shouldn't be an excuse for this mistake tonight. It was blatantly obvious Nani was trying to control the ball and was not in any way intending to hurt anyone. Show some common sense and show him a yellow. Or better still show him nothing and just give a free kick. The game was played in a really good spirit and it's daft that a player was sent off and decided the outcome. The ref should be punished for it and banned for a long time, if just for his arrogance.


What is intent in the modern game? Nothing, it has no relevance any more. Rooney regularly lashes out and kicks players with intent, but most of it is harmless and refereed like so.

Go back and watch the actual clip, look at where Nani's foot hits Arbeloa, look at which part of Nani's boot hits him, look at the speed of the play and tell me that it wasn't dangerous. There wasn't intent, but intent is irrelevant. Ibrahimovic was sent off in similar circumstances the other week against Saint Etienne, he was clearly trying to get the ball but you can't raise your boot that high, connect and then expect the referee to forgive you due to lack of intent. It's dangerous play and anything dangerous will always be in the grey area of yellow/red.

When I seen he'd shown the red I was shocked that he'd given the red in such a game, not because he'd given a red for the challenge. The spirit of the game is no excuse, the referee should call every decision individually and I felt there was enough reason for the red. If a yellow was given nobody would have argued, as I said before, I've seen much less given a red and it hasn't been contested. It doesn't make this one any more right, but it shows that people are using the occasion and emotion to protest a call they usually wouldn't.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:45 pm  
Final replay after Nani had been given the red shows he made a slight lunge after the initial contact, which means it was a completely correct red.

Not sure how much the ref knew about that though...
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:40 am  
I may risk coming across as childish here, but I found it hilarious and almost refreshing to see United coming unstuck with a referee's decision at Old Trafford for a change.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:46 am  
I was having a little chuckle at Man. Utd. finally getting a bit of payback from a dodgy referee while listening to Five Live on the way back from MK tonight, but having just seen the actual tackle on Youtube for the first time... What the **** is anyone's problem with the red card exactly? As clear a sending off as you could ever wish to see. What else could Nani have done apart from attack the guy with a hatchet to make it much worse?
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:02 am  
Nani was clearly attempting to control the ball and Arbeloa runs into his foot and duly falls over and does a standard 2 or 3 rolls for good measure, and Nani gets a red... Bizarre. Still glory hunting at your not-hometown club, saint? Bizarre. Roddy agreeing with the red... Bizarre. I'm just waiting on LTS to blaze in with 'King Luis is miles better than RVP and would have scored 3'.

poop happens, and if we walk away with title 20, leaving the gobsh*tes crying about Mr Ferguson and tropyless, tonight will be forgotten.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:11 am  
Roddy B wrote:
What is intent in the modern game? Nothing, it has no relevance any more. Rooney regularly lashes out and kicks players with intent, but most of it is harmless and refereed like so.

Go back and watch the actual clip, look at where Nani's foot hits Arbeloa, look at which part of Nani's boot hits him, look at the speed of the play and tell me that it wasn't dangerous. There wasn't intent, but intent is irrelevant. Ibrahimovic was sent off in similar circumstances the other week against Saint Etienne, he was clearly trying to get the ball but you can't raise your boot that high, connect and then expect the referee to forgive you due to lack of intent. It's dangerous play and anything dangerous will always be in the grey area of yellow/red.

When I seen he'd shown the red I was shocked that he'd given the red in such a game, not because he'd given a red for the challenge. The spirit of the game is no excuse, the referee should call every decision individually and I felt there was enough reason for the red. If a yellow was given nobody would have argued, as I said before, I've seen much less given a red and it hasn't been contested. It doesn't make this one any more right, but it shows that people are using the occasion and emotion to protest a call they usually wouldn't.


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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:14 am  
best way to justfy the red card to a united fan....(because lets be honest they wont see the extra little lunge at the end by nani which made it a red) is to ask them to imagine the same scenario of Luis Suarez on Rooney.........Red all day long and they know it.......

regarding the absolutely classless Rio Ferdinand i dont know what was funnier him get done like a concrete statue in treacle twice (by kaka i think) or his completely childish hand clapping in front of the refs face at the end...

what a completely horrible disgusting man thank god the england Manager was there to see him in all his glory.....
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:13 am  
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Nani was clearly attempting to control the ball and Arbeloa runs into his foot and duly falls over and does a standard 2 or 3 rolls for good measure, and Nani gets a red... Bizarre. Still glory hunting at your not-hometown club, saint? Bizarre. Roddy agreeing with the red... Bizarre. I'm just waiting on LTS to blaze in with 'King Luis is miles better than RVP and would have scored 3'.

poop happens, and if we walk away with title 20, leaving the gobsh*tes crying about Mr Ferguson and tropyless, tonight will be forgotten.

Would of done but I'm still laughing mate.

Talking of supposed "bad decisions", the Utd fans seem very quiet about Higuain's disallowed goal where Ramos was penalised for leaning - he didn't. Perfectley good goal and would have put Madrid 0-1 up.

As for Ferdinand clapping infront of the ref. What a tool.
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