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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:08 pm  
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If the only measure of a forward's ability was how many goals he scored then you would have an unbeatable point.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:12 pm  
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Let's face it thought all Torres was is a slightly trendier/sexier version of Michael Owen and that's all. Compare him with any number of other forwards over the past five years and his skillset is relatively limited. That may be hard for Liverpool fans to take about the new glory glory year(s) but it's the way it is.


He wasn't though, he spent three and a half years at Liverpool and was exceptionally good for about three of them. Find any striker in the world, give them persistent injuries for two years running and you'd see a drop in their form too, but there's no doubting how good he was when he managed to get games under his belt.

Also, saying he wasn't one of the best is absolute madness. Torres had everything a '9' needed, he had pace, strength, ability to shoot and head, combined with things like movement, skill and work rate. When he and Gerrard managed to get fit together, they were arguably the best forward partnership in the league, considering we never had much offensively (Riera, Kuyt, Babel etc.) we still managed to compete with sides that possessed greater depth than us.

IMO, Suarez and Torres are completely different players. Suarez will probably torment a defence more, will probably get more assists and be in possession more, but he won't physically bully a defender and it's hard to see him scoring 30+ goals a season for us with him being so involved creatively. From what I've seen of both in their career, if I was to have a player at their best, it would probably be Torres as he could destroy sides on his own and was near unstoppable. Suarez looks an excellent player, but express pace combined with brains, strength and finishing ability is just about the most lethal combination a striker can have.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:12 pm  
Suarez was being bought to play alongside Torres wasn't he? That in itself lends to the suggestion that they are different types of players.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:13 pm  
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Suarez was being bought to play alongside Torres wasn't he? That in itself lends to the suggestion that they are different types of players.


No I don't think he was. Apparently, we knew about Torres' desire to leave and we working on bringing in Suarez in as well as another player. That player turned out to be Carroll.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:42 pm  
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He wasn't though, he spent three and a half years at Liverpool and was exceptionally good for about three of them. Find any striker in the world, give them persistent injuries for two years running and you'd see a drop in their form too, but there's no doubting how good he was when he managed to get games under his belt.

Also, saying he wasn't one of the best is absolute madness. Torres had everything a '9' needed, he had pace, strength, ability to shoot and head, combined with things like movement, skill and work rate. When he and Gerrard managed to get fit together, they were arguably the best forward partnership in the league, considering we never had much offensively (Riera, Kuyt, Babel etc.) we still managed to compete with sides that possessed greater depth than us.

IMO, Suarez and Torres are completely different players. Suarez will probably torment a defence more, will probably get more assists and be in possession more, but he won't physically bully a defender and it's hard to see him scoring 30+ goals a season for us with him being so involved creatively. From what I've seen of both in their career, if I was to have a player at their best, it would probably be Torres as he could destroy sides on his own and was near unstoppable. Suarez looks an excellent player, but express pace combined with brains, strength and finishing ability is just about the most lethal combination a striker can have.


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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:59 pm  
Spurs eventually put the game to bed thanks to a fine second goal from Bale - being a Spurs fan is a frustrating experience most of the time ! Thought Parker was outstanding today.

credit to QPR who came out and made a game of it in the second half despite Spurs' efforts to gift them a point
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:05 pm  
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No I don't think he was. Apparently, we knew about Torres' desire to leave and we working on bringing in Suarez in as well as another player. That player turned out to be Carroll.

I thought they said at the time Suarez was being brought in to be alongside Torres, and when he decided to leave they needed to buy an additional striker.

Either way, I think they'd have been great together provided Torres can get his spark back. Suarez just creates so many chances + space for others to play in.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:59 pm  
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I don't memorise posts from years ago so I'll go along with what you have said. The only problem with the "one season wonder" comment is that for years before he came to the English game Torres was the hottest striking property in Europe. He then followed this up with, not one but, 3 very strong seasons during which he hit 72 goals in 116 games. Even in his last Liverpool half season he hit 9 in 23 which is hardly a disaster. He's just struggled at Chelsea.

His overall record is extremely impressive and, as the Liverpool fans on here will tell you, I'm not particularly fond of them. But to claim Torres' superb career is a "one season wonder" shows you to be something of a fool. Do "one season wonders" play almost 90 times for Spain before they hit 28?


Yet never scored more than 20 in a season in the spanish leagues and was out scored by Forlan in every season they were at Athletico together. If he was that good he'd have been at Barca or Real long before he came to England
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:08 am  
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Yet never scored more than 20 in a season in the spanish leagues and was out scored by Forlan in every season they were at Athletico together. If he was that good he'd have been at Barca or Real long before he came to England


Ah yes. The 0 seasons they played together of course. :lol:

He was Atletico born and bred. Don't think he would have wanted a move to Real even if it were available. Barca I'm not so sure of. Maybe they preferred what they had?
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