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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:44 pm  
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Okay I understand the cumulative aspect, however have the FA applied that sort of ruling before?


They did with Joey Barton. He was found guilty of two counts of violence against you lot (they cleared him of his pathetic little head butt). He got 12 games for it.

I was being flippant although the two incidents are comparable i.e. Beckham didn't get a ten match ban.


Beckham was a stupid fool for doing what he did. He was massively punished by being sent off, his team went out and he was blamed. He was Argentina's idiot stooge. There was no reason for any massive ban. His kick would have been laughed off by a 6 year old girl. He probably did serve an automatic ban for a red card for violent conduct though.

Don't know if somebody has mentioned it already but Rohan Ricketts has tweeted taht Jermaine Defoe bit Mascherano in 2006, received a booking and no ban. That seems like a sensible decision. I mean, if he'd bitten his ear off different story but it was nothing other a "let go of me" reaction, akin to kicking out at someone.


That's 2006. An incident with a player with a pretty clean record. I'm guessing that it wasn't screened live on TV and didn't receive massive worldwide coverage.

This is 2013. Suarez has already served a ban for biting. He's recently served a long ban for racial abuse. Barely a month goes by where he's not involved in acts of cheating or borderline violence. He wasn't punished during the game and he ended up scoring the equalising goal in a match where he should have been off.

Do you really think that the 2013 FA disciplinary board should be using a 7 year old ruling and therefore letting Suarez off? I think that's ridiculous. I think the 2013 FA are pretty much saying the 2006 decision was wrong and has no relevance.

The LFC defence was pretty much stolen from our defence of Eden Hazard over the ballboy kicking. Some lower league player actually got into an argument with a ball boy, shoved him and kicked him. He was booked and the FA said no further action was needed. But this was last season (or in the last couple of seasons - CBA to check). So it was pretty much the same FA Disciplinary system at work.

So that's why Hazard only got the standard 3 match ban on top of his red. And that's pretty much the defence that Liverpool want to apply to Suarez. But when you're committing your second biting offence, when you've recently been found guilty of racial abuse, when you are seen continually cheating and fouling and feeling no repentance, that defence is never going to work.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:44 pm  
He wasn't found guilty of it over here so WTF has it got to do with anything?

Suarez isn't repeatedly banned for cheating and fouling, so again, WTF does that have to do with anything? Every player in football 'cheats' in one way or another, Suarez does it in a way that upsets people but it shouldn't affect a disciplinary.

For the record, I think the ban is too long but he needed an extended ban. Six games IMO would have been adequate. Biting isn't something that's prevalent in the game so it's not like they had to set a precedent or anything. It was a unique incident that caused no harm.

However, with regards to the Defoe incident. That very same season Ben Thatcher elbowed Pedro Mendes, correct me if I'm wrong but he was booked at the time but the FA took exception and handed him a further ban, as well as the ban City imposed. Now, IIRC, later on that season Defoe bit Mascherano and they were unwilling to step in as it had apparently been dealt with. If the FA believes it to be worthy of a 10 match ban, surely they couldn't have let something like that slip? I'm not aware of any rule changes that were made with regards to biting, so I dunno.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:18 pm  
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He wasn't found guilty of it over here so WTF has it got to do with anything?

Suarez isn't repeatedly banned for cheating and fouling, so again, WTF does that have to do with anything? Every player in football 'cheats' in one way or another, Suarez does it in a way that upsets people but it shouldn't affect a disciplinary.

For the record, I think the ban is too long but he needed an extended ban. Six games IMO would have been adequate. Biting isn't something that's prevalent in the game so it's not like they had to set a precedent or anything. It was a unique incident that caused no harm.

However, with regards to the Defoe incident. That very same season Ben Thatcher elbowed Pedro Mendes, correct me if I'm wrong but he was booked at the time but the FA took exception and handed him a further ban, as well as the ban City imposed. Now, IIRC, later on that season Defoe bit Mascherano and they were unwilling to step in as it had apparently been dealt with. If the FA believes it to be worthy of a 10 match ban, surely they couldn't have let something like that slip? I'm not aware of any rule changes that were made with regards to biting, so I dunno.


There are unquestionably inconsistencies with the disciplinary process. They need for one to remove the 'it's been reffed once' rule where they can't rule on an incident if the match officials see it.

But no one should be questioning a ten game ban for Suarez here. Just accept it and move on. If Liverpool want him to stop being victimised, stop him from behaving like a rabid animal.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:33 pm  
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:41 pm  
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He wasn't found guilty of it over here so WTF has it got to do with anything?


Liverpool bought him when he was serving a ban for biting someone. He's now bit someone on the field for a second time, but because it happened under a different FA everyone should pretend it never existed??? :lol: :lol: :lol: WTFever. Scouse divs. :roll:

Suarez isn't repeatedly banned for cheating and fouling, so again, WTF does that have to do with anything? Every player in football 'cheats' in one way or another, Suarez does it in a way that upsets people but it shouldn't affect a disciplinary.


He does it clearly, stupidly and he's unrepentant after doing it.

The use of the racial slur against Evra at a corner against Man United. The punch in the face of the Chile player in a recent international. And now the biting of an opponent in the box during a Liverpool attack. Don't these show a ridiculous and stupid pattern of behavior to cheat to win?

The FA made themselves look ridiculous by claiming that the reason that John Terry could be charged over the Ferdinand incident was because of his later denial to a TV reporter that he didn't knee the Barca player in the back. That was their "essential new evidence". You're alright with them using that BS argument, but you're completely against looking at what Suarez does on the field because it's against your player.

For the record, I think the ban is too long but he needed an extended ban. Six games IMO would have been adequate. Biting isn't something that's prevalent in the game so it's not like they had to set a precedent or anything. It was a unique incident that caused no harm.


Unique for most players, the second time for him.

However, with regards to the Defoe incident. That very same season Ben Thatcher elbowed Pedro Mendes, correct me if I'm wrong but he was booked at the time but the FA took exception and handed him a further ban, as well as the ban City imposed. Now, IIRC, later on that season Defoe bit Mascherano and they were unwilling to step in as it had apparently been dealt with. If the FA believes it to be worthy of a 10 match ban, surely they couldn't have let something like that slip? I'm not aware of any rule changes that were made with regards to biting, so I dunno.


They haven't said it's worthy of a 10 match ban in itself.

They will pretty much say that they recently warned him of his future behaviour after they found him guilty of racially abusing Evra. They will say that the warning to him has been completely ignored. They will note his failure to accept guilt, and his subsequent refusal to shake Evra's hand which caused further negative publicity and animosity between LFC and MUFC.

They will say that biting an opponent is not a normal or understandable behaviour from a grown adult and one that merits special consideration.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:44 pm  
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:16 pm  
Suarez will now have missed 16% of LFC's games through suspension since joining the club, yet they still defend him. #witchhunt
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:22 am  
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Suarez will now have missed 16% of LFC's games through suspension since joining the club, yet they still defend him. #witchhunt


Could have something to do with the goals he scores and points he wins in the other 84% of games, no?
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:44 am  
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