Re: Betting Chat : Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:02 pm  

Live Wired,

I don't really know why you're crabbing Frankel so much. I can see the argument that horses are probably best judged at the end of their careers, but Frankel is unbeaten thus far, and couldn't really have done any more. He has won G1s at 7 and 8f (which is a very nebulous distinction when comparing 2yos to 3yos, but one you're keen to make, apparently). He has beaten Nathaniel (subsequent King George winner), Treasure Beach (subsequent Irish Derby winner), Roderic O'Connor (subsequent Irish 2000G winner), Dream Ahead (Middle Park and subsequently July Cup winner) and multiple Group 1 winner Canford Cliffs, all fair and square.

Your description of Hawk Wing and Zafonic as 'awesome' horses I took to be based on the one awesome (as in breathtakingly impressive) performance each produced in their careers (Zafonic's Guineas, and Hawk Wing's Lockinge). Frankel's Guineas was as good as either of those, regardless of your view on his SJP or Sussex. And his Royal Lodge was pretty stunning too. If you're saying that Hawk Wing in particular was a truly awesome horse based on his career, then fine, it's a free country, but what the hell does that make Rock of Gibraltar and High Chapparal, both of whom beat him and weren't too shabby themselves - maybe they were more 'awesome', in truth

If they do step Frankel up next year, it will be Lockinge, then some of Prince of Wales, Eclipse, International, Irish Champion and Champion. Possibly followed by Breeders' Cup Classic. Would 7 Group 1s in a season shut you up?

Of course, if it doesn't stay, it will be Lockinge, PoW (fail), Sussex, Jacques Le Marois, QEII and Breeders Cup Mile. Probably

Anyway, El Gran Senor would have beaten the lot of 'em.

Re: Betting Chat : Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:31 am  

Irish Greyhound Derby statrs tonight

Gizmo Titan has been a bit hit or miss in his career so far but the penny appeared to drop in the Northern Ireland Derby Consolation race and he could go a long way at a very tasty 100/1. For a dog that is nearly 3 he has not had many races, his Shelbourne Park record is decent and he could well have some improvement left in him especially if he brushes up on his trapping as he is strong and stays when infront.

Re: Betting Chat : Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:57 pm  

7:00 Kempton - Way Too Hot been working well with some nice one's at home

Re: Betting Chat : Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:04 pm  

mwildcats wrote:

7:00 Kempton - Way Too Hot been working well with some nice one's at home

Cheers pal, only £20 @ 5/2 but its the first winner Ive had in a long time.

Re: Betting Chat : Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:04 pm  

mwildcats wrote:

7:00 Kempton - Way Too Hot been working well with some nice one's at home

trotted up nicely that one when it saw daylight

Re: Betting Chat : Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:29 pm  

No probs gents.... Ave a good un !

Re: Betting Chat : Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:24 pm  

Good shout cats

Given the betting a miss after Galway/Goodwood.

One for tomorrow

4:10 Haydock - Midsummer Fair @ 9/1 EW

Few decent sorts from big yards but like this at the price hopefully 8 will run, it cost $290,000 and won well on debut over a mile was then chucked in the French 2,000 Guineas clearly too much of an ask as it came last, step up in trip last time but didn't stay wasn't a shocking run and the winner did come 2nd in a Group 3 at Royal Ascot next time out, Midsummer Fair does have to carry top weight here but its offset by the claimers 7lbs and I think its a plus they are trying the mile again.

Re: Betting Chat : Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:06 am  

Canford retired to stud massive say by Coolmore no doubt.

Guess there will be more people doubting the freak now....

Re: Betting Chat : Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:14 pm  

DIAMOND BLUE.2.40.hay 11/4

reproduction of its first two runs will be good enough

Re: Betting Chat : Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:54 pm  

Odd one in the Europa League tonight.

Rabotnicki are generally 4/1 to win at home to Anorthosis, despite having won the 1st leg in Cyprus 2-0.

Seems a bit strange, this.