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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue May 14, 2013 1:03 am  
£40m on.....

Sinclair (great prem signing for rubbish like Liverpool etc but never city)
Rodwell (come from rubbish like Liverpool, Everton etc but never good enough for city)
Garcia (see Sinclair)
Maicon (see Sinclair)

No great surprise the board got rid tbh, city will be better off now IMHO
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue May 14, 2013 6:38 am  
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More than Fergie managed in his first 3-4 years at United, despite being big spenders at the time.


Huge

http://red11.org/mufc/fergie.htm
Cibaman wrote:
More than Fergie managed in his first 3-4 years at United, despite being big spenders at the time.


Huge

http://red11.org/mufc/fergie.htm
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue May 14, 2013 7:43 am  


Loking at some of those names it's not really a surprise it took him some time to get going. £650k for Mal Donaghy? That was decent money in those days. Makes Kolarov seem a bargain.


Loking at some of those names it's not really a surprise it took him some time to get going. £650k for Mal Donaghy? That was decent money in those days. Makes Kolarov seem a bargain.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue May 14, 2013 8:04 am  
It seems abundantly clear that City have gone backwards over the last 12 months - domestically and in Europe. The 'if it ain't working, try shoving Yaya Touré a bit further upfield' tactic is all Mancini seems to have and, from the outside looking in, it just feels like a time for a change.
Pellegrini - if indeed it is him - is a definite trade up.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue May 14, 2013 8:19 am  
From a neutral standpoint, while they've gone about it in entirely the wrong fashion I don't blame City at all for the decision.

United were never under any real pressure in the league, they were woeful in Europe again and they should have won the Cup.

For the players they have and the money they've spent, a poor season.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue May 14, 2013 8:20 am  
Also, just seen that Brendan Rogers is now the 7th longest serving manager in the PL, having been appointed in June 2012.

Madness.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue May 14, 2013 8:22 am  
Cibaman wrote:
Loking at some of those names it's not really a surprise it took him some time to get going. £650k for Mal Donaghy? That was decent money in those days. Makes Kolarov seem a bargain.



It's not huge money if you compare it with the transfer records at the time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressio ... fee_record

Not really a signing of the ilk or expense of a Bridge or Lescott is it?
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Loking at some of those names it's not really a surprise it took him some time to get going. £650k for Mal Donaghy? That was decent money in those days. Makes Kolarov seem a bargain.



It's not huge money if you compare it with the transfer records at the time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressio ... fee_record

Not really a signing of the ilk or expense of a Bridge or Lescott is it?
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue May 14, 2013 8:34 am  
Can I just ask, Saddened, why weren't you calling for Fergie to be sacked when he went out of the groups (to a very weak group) and came second in the league? Do you think those targets were pre-agreed with the board?

This is where football has become 'mad'. Mancini walked into a club steeped in mediocrity, he took them to a cup win and won the league with them. This season he's struggled, he's 'lost the dressing room' and lost the support of the board. How on earth does this stuff even happen? The man should be worshipped as a messiah, he brought success to a club in such a short window, yet what he gets in return is betrayal. I don't rate him that highly as a manager, and Citeh were only going to get worse under him as the players clearly didn't like him, but how does it even reach that point? And how can so many fans of other clubs look in and say "yeah, he's failed, sack him", when they know full well if somebody came to their club and won them the league, they'd be jizzing for decades over it.

The answer to the very first question I asked will be very predictable, Fergie wasn't sacked because he's untouchable, he's had relentless success and there was no way United were going to sack him, but how can any other manager gather a similar level of success if clubs, players and fans aren't going to back them, even when they do bring success? Just because Citeh have spent money, it doesn't give them a divine right to be ahead of every team in the country, but that's predictably forgotten when people want to have a rant. City do have different goals, they want to win everything, so do Chelsea, United, Spurs and Arsenal, as well as all the other clubs in the Champions League. If you don't strengthen your team considerably (which City didn't do), you won't compete on all fronts. Fans of teams like Everton will never grasp what it's like to compete, or what the expectations are of a club that's expected to be competitive, so looking in from the outside, yeah, it seems dead dead simple, but it really isn't.

Pellegrini is a great pick as manager, but it won't take long for the nation to turn on him. "Why does he play two holding midfielders, he's so negative." If he doesn't hit the ground running, win the Champions League, go unbeaten in the league and give Everton a good match, he'll be destroyed by fans in unison.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue May 14, 2013 10:40 am  
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This is where football has become 'mad'. Mancini walked into a club steeped in mediocrity, he took them to a cup win and won the league with them.


He walked into a club steeped in mediocrity, who had recently been bought by one of the richest men in the world and was in the process of spending around a billion quid on the club.

Hughes didn't particularly deserve the sack. He didn't really deserve the opportunity before him either. Mancini doesn't deserve the sack. But does he deserve to be on such an elite stage? I just don't think he does.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue May 14, 2013 11:53 am  
Guerrier wrote:
Also, just seen that Brendan Rogers is now the 7th longest serving manager in the PL, having been appointed in June 2012.

Madness.


Crazy. It's just had me look it up out of interest, and even more staggering is that if Wigan get relegated, Pardew is 3rd.

And of the 92 current football league clubs, there are less than a dozen who have had the same manager for more than 3 years after Ferguson & Moyes leave their clubs, whilst a massive 58 have managers still within their first year. Just shows how truly ridiculous football has become.
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