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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:41 pm  
Pearce blaming everyone bar himself. He is a terrible manager. How he has managed to get as far as he has done is a complete mystery. Utter tool of a man, utter failure of a boss.

Big :lol: at the "future" of English football.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:30 pm  
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Pearce blaming everyone bar himself.


I don't think he had much of a chance of staying in the job anyway, but that interview pretty much killed off any chances he did have.

Thinking about it a little more it's pretty disgusting what he did. His career as a manager has been pretty poor. But he's still probably got a long future in the game as in assistant and possibly a future manager again. But after this tournament he's sticking all the blame on a bunch of young players just making their way in the game. Even if they have been awful and let him down massively, he shouldn't be throwing them under the bus and claiming he had nothing to do with it.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:04 am  
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:53 am  
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Even then, clubs just aren't providing the first team opportunities for their young players, English or foreign.

IMO, the worst thing a young player can do is move to a big club after the age of 16, because they'll just continue to stall. Look at Moses, Rodwell and Sinclair; all were guaranteed choices for their clubs since their moves they hardly get a look in.



Rodwell was picked by City for almost every game that he was available, unfortunately not that many. If anything he was brought back too quickly after injury. Sinclair was thrown straight into the first team the week after signing for the club and quickly showed that he wasn't good enough. It would probably have been better for him if he'd been held back for a few months to get used to the club.

Increasing the opportunities for young English players would clearly have improved the pool available to Pearce but would it have significantly improved the quality? We might have had a few more players of the standard of say Jordan Henderson. But I'm not sure that there are a raft of young players of the quality of Wilshire or Rooney that are not getting their chance. If anything we tend to push the more talented players too quickly eg Walcott.

We'll never do anything until at international level until we start to produce more young players that genuinely have world class potential. That needs to be done long before they reach club first team level.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:35 am  
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Not sure how feasible it is from a legal standpoint, but I'd like to see some sort of quota to prevent PL clubs stuffing their academies full of kids from overseas.

If a large percentage of your kids aren't England qualified, then that is going to feed through into your first team.

Problem is that the clubs are - by and large - responsible for developing the next generation of players for both themselves and the country at the same time. There's always going to be a conflict, and self interest is always going to win.


So you would rather see a mediocre English player play at an academy over a talented foreign player?

Talent shines through at any level, regardless of place of birth. IMO you can't blame foreign youngsters on this nation's complete inability to consistently produce footballers of any decent quality. You watch other nations at youth level and you see things like tactical discipline, composure, decision making and versatility, and then you see the English, a bunch of grunts, double decker buses at centre half, strikers and wingers that have pace and can shoot, centre midfielders with a good long effort and full backs that sh*t bricks the moment a winger stares them down.

I used to watch a lot of reserve and academy level football and never at any point did blaming the foreign players come into mind. If anything, the foreign players elevated the English lads to greater levels and pushed for a greater quality of play in the matches. It would often be the foreign players running with the ball, or looking for the pass, or the 1-2, or to carry it for a few extra touches to create separation from defenders, whereas the English players always seemed rushed, uncomfortable and determined to be direct, rather than clever and composed. I remember watching Liverpool's academy team with Suso and Raheem Sterling playing out wide. Sterling was/is a fantastic talent, but Suso was by far and out the more rounded footballer. Raheem has pace, can shoot and glides past defenders at academy level, but Suso could pass, Suso has body feints, he has end product and his awareness is far superior to Sterling's. Suso was one of the ones that 'slipped through the net' of Barcelona and Real Madrid, it scares me what level their academies must be at if players like him can be missed, and I don't think Real and Barca have solid youth teams because they keep players based on their passport, I think they have solid youth teams because they coach and scout quality.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:16 am  
Roddy B wrote:
Talent shines through at any level, regardless of place of birth.

Yes. And that talent is more likely to be nurtured in environments with good numbers of well-qualified and experienced coaches.
Spain has ten times the number of registered coaches that England does.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:32 pm  
mystic eddie wrote:
Big :lol: at the "future" of English football.


U17 champions
U19 semi finalists
U20 qualified for World Cup this year

Big :lol: at your 'facts'
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:56 pm  
Course you knew about Ferguson months ago, Jose.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:25 pm  
carl_spackler wrote:
Course you knew about Ferguson months ago, Jose.


So what makes you think that he didn't know? He's named his source- Ferguson himself. If Jose is lying then Ferguson will be able to show him up as a liar.

I do think Jose was never in the frame for United. I think that the reason is because he'll be on 10m+ and United were never going to pay him that much.

Personally I think if both Chelsea and Manchester United were offering the same pay packet Jose would have taken over at Man United. But, by the same standard, if Man United were appointing a successor to Ferguson and the pay wasn't an issue they'd clearly go for Jose over Moyes.

As a Chelsea fan I'm absolutely delighted that Jose's back, I'm very happy that Citeh have appointed Mr Inter Toto and delighted that Man United have Mr Not Even an Inter Toto. I think Man United fans are having to dig VERY, VERY deep to convince themselves that somehow David Moyes is a better choice as their manager than Jose Mourinho. So they all buy in to the ridiculous story that Jose's agent was bombarding the Old Trafford switchboard when news about Fergie retiring became public.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:46 pm  
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:
So what makes you think that he didn't know? He's named his source- Ferguson himself. If Jose is lying then Ferguson will be able to show him up as a liar.


2 simple reasons. Firstly, I don't honestly believe they're that close friends (doesn't tell most of his family but does his old pal Jose? Just not buying it) and secondly, I don't think he'd have known without rumours getting out.

Then there's that little quip in February where he didn't see Ferguson retiring until 90.

I don't think Ferguson will bother getting involved, tbh, what would be the point?
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