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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:13 pm  
Keep Rafa At Pool
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:20 pm  
No laughs first or second time.

Reckon you might land that first European cup this season?

Wonder if the Russian would do one after winning that and leave you in the shiit
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:31 pm  
Ancellotti has stupidly set the CL as CFC's priority. we're one of the strongest sides, but it's still a long way to go before I start to think about us winning the CL.

No, I don't think he would go after winning the CL. What would be the point of that from RA's perspective?
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:38 pm  
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Ancellotti has stupidly set the CL as CFC's priority. we're one of the strongest sides, but it's still a long way to go before I start to think about us winning the CL.

No, I don't think he would go after winning the CL. What would be the point of that from RA's perspective?


His playtoy will have won the lot.

I reckon you we meet Barca somewhere either the semi or the final.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:42 pm  
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Just had a read of Fergie's first 6 seasons at OT interesting stuff

That infamous banner in 1989 "Three years of excuses and it's still crap. Ta ra Fergie"

I will admit part of me was like Rob and wanted Rafa to walk as I feel maybes he's lost the players (Main ones from Huyton and Bootle)

Problem for Rafa unlike Fergie is in his first 3 season he set the bar so high.



I suspect 20 years of a club under achieving brought a certain pressure on Ferguson too - has much been made of Rafa's 'perfect' post match assessment of the ref's performance?
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:50 pm  
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I suspect 20 years of a club under achieving brought a certain pressure on Ferguson too - has much been made of Rafa's 'perfect' post match assessment of the ref's performance?


As far as I know anti and pro Rafa fans saw it as odd.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:55 pm  
Wire_85 wrote:
Just had a read of Fergie's first 6 seasons at OT interesting stuff

That infamous banner in 1989 "Three years of excuses and it's still crap. Ta ra Fergie"

I will admit part of me was like Rob and wanted Rafa to walk as I feel maybes he's lost the players (Main ones from Huyton and Bootle)

Problem for Rafa unlike Fergie is in his first 3 season he set the bar so high.


I agree. I, like most supporters, have never demanded a title. Sure, the club has a massive history full of silverware, but I knew demanding trophies, especially the big two, was unrealistic. However, Rafa did set the standard pretty high for himself, some said we overachieved and we did, to a degree, but in 5 years he turned us to one of Europe's finest, there was pretty much progress every season, the squad was getting stronger. This season we have failed immensely, the decline seems so fast and so big, it's hard to take for most. I feel at times he has lost the dressing room, the stuff they're doing, it isn't just mistakes and it isn't just confidence, it's been like this since day one this season and things are getting worse. There isn't a man I want to see succeed more at Liverpool than Rafa, his dedication and effort need to be rewarded, but this season it feels like we've taken strides backwards. I felt it early on and our form in Europe was most unacceptable, I think other than Fergie and Wenger, most managers would have been sacked by now, I'm really unsure if Rafa's the man to turn things around at this point. He's a man of little emotion and, at the moment, the team are showing little emotion on the pitch, I feel they need somebody they want to play for. Of course, I'm just guessing about this, things may be fine in the dressing room and it's simply footballing reasons, but I feel that's unlikely.

Another problem is Rafa's continued faith in some players, it's like Houllier with Heskey all over again. Dirk Kuyt and Lucas are, for me, two of our worst players, yet they are integral parts of our squad in Rafa's opinion. He has a £17m midfielder sat on the bench, he wrapped him in cotton wool for a month after his debut, he's given him very little playing time, it feels like Rafa's oblivious to Alberto's talents at times, it seems he's oblivious to a lot of player's talents at times (Pacheco, Nemeth, Ayala). He made his debut at the end of October yet it still feels like Rafa won't be starting him until the new year, it's depressing.

A lot of people are blaming the loss of Alonso for our problems but it is much more than that for me. United lost the best player in the world and another fantastic player to go with, they lost £100m+ worth of players in the summer and replaced them with a striker on a free and a decent winger for £17m. Hardly inspirational signings but they're still competing, they're still up there and I honestly can't understand why we aren't, especially after the fantastic platform built last year.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:59 pm  
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As far as I know anti and pro Rafa fans saw it as odd.


Not seen it, just read the transcript, 'sounds' odd.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:06 pm  
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Not seen it, just read the transcript, 'sounds' odd.


Neither have I would rather not to be honest.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:16 pm  
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His playtoy will have won the lot.


I don't think he would suddenly walk if Chelsea win the CL. I think it's a sad fantasy of supporters of other clubs. I find the whole notion of, "He'll just get bored of football and leave the club in trouble" ridiculous.

But even if he did go, I'd still be thankful for what he;s done for us. I'd accept whatever outcome we were left in. I doubt he'd leave us in trouble, but you never know.

IMO it's far more likely Torres and/or Gerrard will walk from Liverpool because they want title challenges and CL football.
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