Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:53 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

We need better young British managers and we need more black managers.

I'm sorry but that's wrong. We need better quality british managers that's all.... They don't need to be black, white or purple because it makes zero difference to the job they do.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:54 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

Abroad, quite possibly. I don't really think it works the same over here though, they either seem to be frustrated managers causing a power struggle, or glorified scouts/transfer negotiators.

Harford's chosen the assistant manager job at Millwall instead, anyway.

The reputation at Newcastle is dreadful. Kinnear is a joke figure. There are sharpened knives out for Pardew in the press and they are shoving him to the sack if they can. There may be truth in all the rumours as Ashley could be the perfect comedy owner like Kinnear is the comedy DoF. And Harford might be more interested in TEAM management than CLUB management.

For all those reasons I'm not really surprised at someone's decision to take an assistant managers position at Millwall rather than assistant DoF at Geordieland.

But I do think that football clubs are big enough and the money is so huge in the game, and the responsibility so big, that there is a genuine role for professional DoF's in PL clubs.

Now, I don't think PL clubs NEED them. I think managers can get by as they are. But I do think that the managers would be a lot better off if they have quality DoF's working alongside them.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:28 pm  

Just read on Chelsea Chat that PSG have arranged a sponsorship with the Qatar Toursm Board worth £570m over 4 years.

Man Citeh took the pee out of FFP with their deal.

PSG have now taken a dump on it.

Either Platini does something about nonsense sponsorships or he throws FFP in the bin.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:59 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

The reputation at Newcastle is dreadful. Kinnear is a joke figure. There are sharpened knives out for Pardew in the press and they are shoving him to the sack if they can. There may be truth in all the rumours as Ashley could be the perfect comedy owner like Kinnear is the comedy DoF. And Harford might be more interested in TEAM management than CLUB management.

For all those reasons I'm not really surprised at someone's decision to take an assistant managers position at Millwall rather than assistant DoF at Geordieland.

But I do think that football clubs are big enough and the money is so huge in the game, and the responsibility so big, that there is a genuine role for professional DoF's in PL clubs.

Now, I don't think PL clubs NEED them. I think managers can get by as they are. But I do think that the managers would be a lot better off if they have quality DoF's working alongside them.

I agree that there can be a role for a good DoF. I also agree about Kinnear being a joke figure, though, and that's where this just smacked of jobs for the boys. Despite what he thought about 'Lambeezee', Newcastle have been ticking over without a specific DoF, and he himself said that his main jobs are recruitment, transfers, and overseeing the style of football they play (not sure on how he'll do the latter without stepping on Pardew's toes), so he's essentially just another in the glorified scout/negotiator role. I'm surprised then that one of the first things he's decided is that his workload is so much that he needs an assistant, and the cynic in me can't help but notice it's his old assistant manager getting the call. Looks far more like getting one of his old mates a cushy number keeping him company whilst he goes to watch games on Newcastle's £. The other logical conclusion is the pushing Pardew out conspiracy and he's assembling his back room staff in readiness.

DoFs never seem to be done properly over here. As I said, mostly it just seems to be another manager brought in above the existing one, which pretty much just invites 'I wouldn't do it like that' friction. I agree with what Nevin said a while back, for a DoF and manager to have a good relationship, really it needs the manager to have been brought in by the DoF, bringing in a DoF above a manager will most often be greeted with suspicion.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:01 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Just read on Chelsea Chat that PSG have arranged a sponsorship with the Qatar Toursm Board worth £570m over 4 years.

Man Citeh took the pee out of FFP with their deal.

PSG have now taken a dump on it.

Either Platini does something about nonsense sponsorships or he throws FFP in the bin.

Platini won't care about FFP any more now that PSG are cashed up.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:36 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

Platini won't care about FFP any more now that PSG are cashed up.

Bayern Munich will. Arsene Wenger will. Silvio Berlusconi will (from his jail cell). Roman Abramovich will (sadly).

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:56 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Just read on Chelsea Chat that PSG have arranged a sponsorship with the Qatar Toursm Board worth £570m over 4 years.

Man Citeh took the pee out of FFP with their deal.

PSG have now taken a dump on it.

Either Platini does something about nonsense sponsorships or he throws FFP in the bin.

City should re-negotiate their sponsorship. Etihad have done fantastically well out of the deal.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:25 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

City should re-negotiate their sponsorship. Etihad have done fantastically well out of the deal.

They sure have. They paid what, 35m a year for something that Man City got for 2m a year. That's VFM.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:59 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

They sure have. They paid what, 35m a year for something that Man City got for 2m a year. That's VFM.

The deal was a touch generous when first signed. But since then City's media exposure has rocketed. Despite my previous comment, its probably been a classic win win sponsorship. Both parties will be delighted with it.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:23 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

The deal was a touch generous when first signed. But since then City's media exposure has rocketed. Despite my previous comment, its probably been a classic win win sponsorship. Both parties will be delighted with it.

Do you believe that ****?

It was a BS sponsorship when it was signed and it still is.

Etihad may have got a decent exposure because of it, but the fact still remains that they could have bought the naming rights of the stadium straight from the council and got the rights for 2m a year. Instead the council agree to sell to rights to Man City and Man City then flip them for 35m a year.

Do Manchester City council or Etihad feel stupid for selling cheap or buying ridiculously high? Of course not. Because that's not what they were doing. MCC were probably getting a fair market rate and Etihad were knowingly helping you get round FFP.

I don't care if you get another 10bn spent on you. I don't have a problem with billionaires wasting their money on oppo football clubs. But I do think it's a nonsense to have supposed FFP rules when they are so evaded.