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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:55 am  
WTF were them shirts all about tonight :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:02 am  
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:29 am  
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You aren't the judge nor the jury however. What evidence do you want? The evidence is clearly available and has been all along. Suarez said Roddy's favourite Spanish word 'negrito'. The case was only ever about the interpretation of the meaning behind that. It's either a vile, racist put down or a banterish bit of camaraderie depending on who you talk to or which context it's in. The context in question was a highly pressured professional football match between two rivals teams who are full of spite for each other. Evra took offense to it and Suarez admitted saying it, claiming it was the latter of the two interpretations. The FA's panel clearly disagreed and at the end of the day it's probably right to be Evra's call as to whether he's offended by it. It's clearly a word with racial conetations and he admitted using it. Whether he meant it racially only Suarez will know, but it's not like anyone can take his word for it.

The article linked above is a good one, the Liverpool smear campaign against Evra is absolutely pathetic and totally out of order. It's a complete character assasination with precious little proof behind the allegations they make against him.

Suarez has made his point now, he says he didn't mean it racially, everyone knows that now. So why not just publically apologise to Evra and take the ban on the chin? Given how the FA behave these days they will probably increase it.


Evra accused the ref of racism when he was being booked. Evra accused Suarez of racially abusing him 10 times during the match. I think Evra instigated the whole situation when he threw himself to the deck to get a free kick rather than give away a corner. Evra inflamed the situation by confronting Suarez over it afterwards. When Suarez offered his arm in conciliation, Evra withdrew it with a remark about him being a South American. Evra has supposedly made far nastier comments towards Suarez.

I don't know the context of the phrase that Suarez used. I don't know the other word he said when he said negro. I haven't seen the context explained.

I think it's a massively slippery slope that one racist comment can get an 8 match ban, but a player can make hundreds of vile, disgusting comments based on other things without any recrimination whatsoever. I think that it gives players of other ethnic origins a licence to make nasty comments continually to rile their opponents, and if the player bites and replies with one sentence with the word black in it then they're sitting out two months of the season.

From the reports of the incident that I've read so far I actually think that Evra was at least 50% to blame for the situation, and actually much more to blame than that. But because he has the race card he's now the innocent victim and Suarez is a convicted racist who is having his season destroyed.

That just doesn't sit with me.

If Suarez had just racially abused Evra without any provocation then I'd say the ban would be justified. But from the reports released so far I don't think the ban is a fair and just punishment.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:01 am  
Nice swan LGJM. I was just readying another Terry post as well, but I think I'll leave it for tonight.

Anyone seen this?

https://twitter.com/#!/jrobins97/status ... 20/photo/1

Deary me :lol:
Nice swan LGJM. I was just readying another Terry post as well, but I think I'll leave it for tonight.

Anyone seen this?

https://twitter.com/#!/jrobins97/status ... 20/photo/1

Deary me :lol:
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:22 am  
Another blank against a premier league cellar dweller for the Racist. Kenny is doing a great job.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:35 am  
Was actually discussing this at length with some Liverpool fans last night. Suarez has admitted to the word he used so there is no case. 8 games is rather harsh, but racism is the big thing at the minute with JT and the Sepp Blatter incidents and I just think the FA have said "lets give him the maximum ban so it looks as though we don't tolerate it" If it was a Wigan player I'm not sure I'd be able to argue and would want the club to do the right thing and discipline him as well. Liverpool have instead decided to stand by him, produced T-shirts etc and it comes across that they are condoning it. I heavily doubt they would condone racism but that is how it appears.

Evra has admitted to abusing Suarez and so he should be fined and banned as well (to what extent I don't know) because as LGJM says it opens a can of worms. So will Suarez getting off with it on appeal, although I think he will.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:25 am  
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Liverpool's statement is pretty much spot on. Absolutely amazes me that the FA can take such punishment to Suarez, yet allow JT to lead the national side when there was clear evidence of Terry making a blooper. Eight games, deary me, I can't wait to see the 'facts' of this, should be hilariously bent.


No, it isn't, it's incredibly ill advised. They haven't even seen the written reasons yet and they've gone off at the deep end. There should have just said this:-

Liverpool Football Club are surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.

We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.

We will make no further comment on this matter.


The whining and comical 'Luis has lots of black friends' line in the rest of the diatribe is laughable. It was also a very bad idea for the Liverpool players to wear t shirts with his image, name and number. Undignified and not befitting of a club of Liverpool's stature. They should have waited for written reasons then appealed and maintained a dignified silence in the meantime. EE is right - whoever drafted that, or more accurately, approved it (on the basis that their lawyers probably did), should have some very difficult questions to answer this morning.

As for the incident itself, I guess we'll know for sure if they publish the report but my guess is he called Evra a naughty word. We'll never know whether he did so for banter or because he is ignorant of what the word means in Europe (odd considering he played in Holland). I suspect he got an 8 game ban so could they reduce it to 6 but considering Rooney got 2 for swearing without using any racist language it's hardly draconian.

Oh, and Dalglish looked like he was on the edge of a nervous breakdown last night. Get your money on him resigning by next June, especially if Liverpool miss out on Champions League again (as seems certain).
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:16 am  
His lawyer has announced predictably that they will be appealing

however 'Speaking at a news conference in Uruguay capital Montevideo, Balbi said that it would be Liverpool's lawyers who made the appeal to the FA.'

Given the communications coming out of the club thus far, I'd guess that's Yosser Hughes and Terry from Brookside who'll be representing him


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16295932.stm
His lawyer has announced predictably that they will be appealing

however 'Speaking at a news conference in Uruguay capital Montevideo, Balbi said that it would be Liverpool's lawyers who made the appeal to the FA.'

Given the communications coming out of the club thus far, I'd guess that's Yosser Hughes and Terry from Brookside who'll be representing him


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16295932.stm
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:22 am  
I wonder if the Liverpool/Wire fans took the same stance in the Penny/Latu incident a few years back which was a similar situation.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:45 am  
Can we hand Alan Hansen an eight-Saturday MOTD ban for his lack of interpretation of what is acceptable language in British culture?
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