: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:41 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

Biased?

If I am biased, how can you explain the compliments I have made about Ferdinand and Berbatov?

I don't know you, so I don't if your football bias strecthes across all footballing topics. What I do know, is that where "Robbie" is concerned, nobody can tell you anything.

He's a World Class Winger, and suggestions that Ribery & Young are better than him 'As left Wingers' are laughable. (Even when the stats tell you otherwise)

Ashley Young has over 20 assists in the last season & a half, not bad eh. Think about how good he'll be when he learns any tricks. Wowsa.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:45 pm  

Robbie Rotten wrote:

I'm guessing assists stats mean nothing, then?

Part of my job involves me analysing statistics. I am fully aware of what stats can and cannot do. The best way to looks at stats is to acknowledge their limitations.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:48 pm  

But I made a point on Young being one of the most productive players, using a stat showing how productive he is, fair point backed up by a fair stat, no?

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:51 pm  

I suppose scoring more than half of yr goals in home games against Portsmouth, Stoke and Hull is classed as shining in the big games isnt it??

And against the 2 best teams in the league at home? Erm, 0 goals...how did that happen if he's saving himself for the big games??

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:51 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

Biased?

If I am biased, how can you explain the compliments I have made about Ferdinand and Berbatov?

Examples of bias:

1. Michael Johnson to become the mainstay of England's central midfield for a decade.

2. Micah Richards to displace Gary Neville as England's right back as he is already better than him.

3. Joe Hart to become England's long term goalkeeper.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:51 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

Against Milan....check
City / United derbies....check
Most of his appearances in the knockout stages in Europe....check
Vast majority of games against Chelsea......check

Erm, Ronnie scored against Meelan in the 2007 semi-final and was one of the stand out performers that night? Granted his performance in the second leg was poor, but so was the rest of the team and Milan deserved the win.

He also scored in arguable the biggest game we've played Chelsea in (Champions League final).

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:56 pm  

JWP wrote:

I don't know you, so I don't if your football bias strecthes across all footballing topics.

All very interesting....

What I do know, is that where "Robbie" is concerned, nobody can tell you anything.

You are the [erson who claimed to have watched Robson since he was a boy.

No. I have an opinion, and will stand by it. As I stated yesterday - on this thread - I have a view / opinion, call it what you want, but I am not stating it as a fact / truth. Please concentrate.

What do you want, a debate on epistemology?

He's a World Class Winger, and suggestions that Ribery & Young are better than him 'As left Wingers' are laughable. (Even when the stats tell you otherwise)

Robihno is a better winger, and overall a better footballer. Ashjley Young is better than Robihno at crossing but then Robbie is a far, far, far better passer of the ball, which more than makes up for this. RE all other abilities: Robson is better.

Ashley Young has over 20 assists in the last season & a half, not bad eh. Think about how good he'll be when he learns any tricks. Wowsa.

Rather than quote the stats at me, please advise me of the methodology, otherwise the stats mean nothing. What is an assist? Does an assist also not not depend on the skill of the player receiving the ball? Does this include own goals? Are the figures subject to QA? What QA do they use? What are the discrepancies between the stats produced by this organisation and the figures produced by another firm?

I refuse to debate the validity of statistic or set of statistics with someone who is not intelligent enough to keep up.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:57 pm  

Sheddy wrote:

Erm, Ronnie scored against Meelan in the 2007 semi-final and was one of the stand out performers that night? Granted his performance in the second leg was poor, but so was the rest of the team and Milan deserved the win.

C'mon, fella. He was outshone by the second best player in the world, behind Messi.

He also scored in arguable the biggest game we've played Chelsea in (Champions League final).

TBH I never watched that game so you could have told me that Anderson had a shot on target and I would have to believe it as true.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:01 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

TBH I never watched that game so you could have told me that Anderson had a shot on target and I would have to believe it as true.

You missed his superb penalty, then? Shame.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:04 pm  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

Examples of bias:

1. Michael Johnson to become the mainstay of England's central midfield for a decade.

He could if he dropped his habits. people far more knowledgeable than you and I, have made that claim.

The lad has a lot more talent than Anderson

2. Micah Richards to displace Gary Neville as England's right back as he is already better than him.

Richards, even at his worst (which has been too often since he became Mr Universe) is better than Neville. What's Neville skill set? Great at being 'solid'? Professional plastic manc?

3. Joe Hart to become England's long term goalkeeper.

If only he was as good as Ben Foster and Heaton (worst international goalkeeper ever to wear an international shirt?).

Joe Hart will become England's klong-term goalkeeper. I am convinced. Capello rates his very highly, as does Sven. He just needs a bit of experience as his weaknesses are those that are the kind of things that only expereinced GKs have - strong communication and organisational skills, and dimination of the box and 1-on-1 situations. Behind James, he's the best English keeper.