Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:50 am  

A win for the traditional quarterback with Brady knocking out the Texans. I think it will be tough against an emotionally charged Ravens team.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:09 am  

Ndamukong wrote:

2nd video is the beginning of his current injury. Again a QB run. Which was then aggravated early in the Seahawks game. Then of course the ACL went on that sandbox of a pitch.
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Have you watched the 2nd video? Not just the hit but the actual play? It's a drop back pass from under centre. RGIII is flushed out of the pocket and scrambles. It is NOT an option play. Now, if I wanted to be as childish as you I would say something facile like "that is that I won't discuss it further with a fan boy who doesn't understand the fundementals of the game". But I am a grown up and am happy to continue to have the discussion like one.

You want to ignore that continual hits etc. throughout the season will weaken the knee then fair enough.

I'm ignoring nothing. You're ignoring the fact that RGIIIs knee has been injured this season on conventional drop back plays. His injuries have nothing to do with ANY option plays.

I know I said I wasn't getting into it again but I'm not getting talked down to by some fan boy. Done with it now

Pick your teddies back up and discuss it. I am grown up enough to handle a difference of opinion.

By the way, what did you make of Kaepernick and Wilson's games this weekend? They were pretty good weren't they? Kaepernick gave the 49ers 444 yards, 181 on the ground. He also gave them 4tds. 2 on the ground.

Russell Wilson had 445 yards and was his teams leading rusher.

The NFL is changing and more teams are looking for a QB like RGIII. The offense is succesful. Three of teh playoff teams in the NFC ran it.

It's just lazy and ill informed to pile on Shannahan for running this offence (whilst not doing likewise to Harbaugh or Carroll) and it completely ignores the fact that RGIIIs injuries did not come on option plays. I repeat, they did not come on option plays.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:12 am  

I hope the Ravens skin the Patriots this Sunday night.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:55 pm  

If we had gone on to lose last night I wouldn't have hung one single bit of the blame on Ryan.

Yes, he made a bad decision and got picked off. It happens to every QB, but in no way was it singularly responsible for the front four not being able to generate a pass rush, or Mike Nolan's shocking play calling that alowed Wilson all day in the pocket to find his receivers.

There are 44 other guys on the roster who all contribute in some way or other to whether a team wins or loses. Hanging it all on a QB - as so often seems the case with the media and Ryan - is ridiculous.

Hopefully we're more agressive defensively against the Niners, otherwise we could be in for the same kind of night.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:58 pm  

G1 wrote:

It's just lazy and ill informed to pile on Shannahan for running this offence (whilst not doing likewise to Harbaugh or Carroll) and it completely ignores the fact that RGIIIs injuries did not come on option plays. I repeat, they did not come on option plays.

People aren't jumping on Shannahan just for running the system. It is an exciting system. It works (whether it does long term is another question).

People are jumping on him for continuing to run the system when his QB has a knee injury.

Likewise I would criticise Harbaughh/Carroll if they did the same when Kap/Wilson were clearly injured.

Whether or not his injuries came on designed option/run plays they came on plays where he was exposed far more than any "conventional" QB would be.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:04 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

If we had gone on to lose last night I wouldn't have hung one single bit of the blame on Ryan.

Yes, he made a bad decision and got picked off. It happens to every QB, but in no way was it singularly responsible for the front four not being able to generate a pass rush, or Mike Nolan's shocking play calling that alowed Wilson all day in the pocket to find his receivers.

There are 44 other guys on the roster who all contribute in some way or other to whether a team wins or loses. Hanging it all on a QB - as so often seems the case with the media and Ryan - is ridiculous.

Hopefully we're more agressive defensively against the Niners, otherwise we could be in for the same kind of night.

It wouldn't have been entirely his fault but he would have had a fairly large portion of the blame.

It would have been the 2nd play off game (against us too) where he made a fatal error which turned the momentum of the game.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:26 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

People aren't jumping on Shannahan just for running the system. It is an exciting system. It works (whether it does long term is another question).

People are jumping on him for continuing to run the system when his QB has a knee injury.

Likewise I would criticise Harbaughh/Carroll if they did the same when Kap/Wilson were clearly injured.

Whether or not his injuries came on designed option/run plays they came on plays where he was exposed far more than any "conventional" QB would be.

RGIII injured his knee on the TD pass to Paulsen against the Seahawks. That was as "conventional" a drop back play as you can see.

Now, whether RGIII should have played in, or stayed in that particular game, is a whole other debate, but it's nothing to do with the system.

Like you say, there's a debate whether whether the read option has a long term future at the NFL level. I get that and have some thoughts. I'm not overly concerned because RGIII is also a very, very good pocket passer. What I don't accept is that our offensive scheme got RGIII injured. Our scheme made us one of the best offenses in the league. RGIII's injury against B'More was just a freak that could happen to any QB that takes off when under pressure.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:41 pm  

Ravens v Falcons in the Super Bowl please. Fortunately Patriots v 49ers didn't come to fruition last year and hopefully it will be the same again this time around (although I think, annoyingly, it will be). I want to actually watch the game and have a team to root for. Don't think I could enjoy it wanting neither team to win!

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:31 pm  

How could anybody not want a repeat of that 49ers-Patriots game from the regular season? It was terrific. I mean, the Ravens are okay but they're a bit boring. That said, I'd prefer Ravens-Falcons than Patriots-Falcons. On Ryan, didn't he have the same amount of time and time outs as Manning did the day before but he won the game for his team. That was some going with those passes because I thought they'd thrown the game away. I was watching on an American feed and the guy streaming it was a Seahawks fan. He was gutted poor lad lol.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:40 pm  

I do quite fancy Patriots vs 49ers. As a nuetral that would be a better game.