Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:08 pm  

McClennan wrote:

Sturridge is no more a winger than Lee Penney. Stop this playing people out of position mularkey. Square pegs do not go in round holes at international level. Most of the time you're better playing somebody who plays in that position rather than a 'star' playing there just to put the 'star' on the field.

Of course he's a winger, he's a winger in the modern 4-3-3 system that we see kicking around these days, not a winger in the old 4-4-2 we probably all grew up seeing. He's got 10 goals this season and a growing reputation playing on the 'wing'.

I don't get this play people where they should be played stuff neither, Spain are European & World Champions and they've done it with Villa & Iniesta providing the width in a 4-3-3, Villa is every bit as much a winger as Sturridge is, they're both if you want 'converted forwards'. Similarly they play Ramos at right back, Arbeloa at left back etc, they don't stick to this 'play them where they should be played' stuff they're just a very good team.

Who plays for England out of position?

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:39 pm  

The Sun wrote: Ferguson said: "Patrice got that suspension for the incident at Chelsea when no one was there, just a groundsman and our fitness coach. "A four-match ban for that was well over the top for a trivial incident." http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... abuse.html A trivial incident? It was a full on brawl where Evra had totally lost it. So the FA were well over the top with their punishment of Evra, but they've got the 8 match ban for Suarez spot on. Great manager, complete *ickhead of a man sometimes.

The Sun wrote: Ferguson said: "Patrice got that suspension for the incident at Chelsea when no one was there, just a groundsman and our fitness coach. "A four-match ban for that was well over the top for a trivial incident." http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... abuse.html A trivial incident? It was a full on brawl where Evra had totally lost it. So the FA were well over the top with their punishment of Evra, but they've got the 8 match ban for Suarez spot on. Great manager, complete *ickhead of a man sometimes.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:08 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4018739/Alex-Ferguson-says-football-was-right-to-punish-Luis-Suarez-for-racial-abuse.html

A trivial incident? It was a full on brawl where Evra had totally lost it.

So the FA were well over the top with their punishment of Evra, but they've got the 8 match ban for Suarez spot on.

Great manager, complete *ickhead of a man sometimes.

how often do you hear of players being banned for 'afters' in the tunnel, were arsenal penalised for pizza gate? yet evra gets a 4 match ban, Bethell himself described it as 'handbags'

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:28 pm  

flipper wrote:

how often do you hear of players being banned for 'afters' in the tunnel, were arsenal penalised for pizza gate? yet evra gets a 4 match ban, Bethell himself described it as 'handbags'

The reason that Evra got done was because the incident was caught by a photographer and there were reports and pictures on the back pages.

Afters in a tunnel aren't usually captured by photographers and cameramen. If there's the rumour that something happened, both parties usually just say that nothing happened or that it was just a minor disagreement.

Bethell was describing Evra's attack when he used the word handbags, because Evra punches like a girl. Evra was too concerned with hiding behind the steward who was holding Bethell to get a punch in.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:33 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

The reason that Evra got done was because the incident was caught by a photographer and there were reports and pictures on the back pages.

Afters in a tunnel aren't usually captured by photographers and cameramen. If there's the rumour that something happened, both parties usually just say that nothing happened or that it was just a minor disagreement.

Bethell was describing Evra's attack when he used the word handbags, because Evra punches like a girl. Evra was too concerned with hiding behind the steward who was holding Bethell to get a punch in.

it's a full on brawl 3 posts up

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:34 pm  

flipper wrote:

how often do you hear of players being banned for 'afters' in the tunnel, were arsenal penalised for pizza gate? yet evra gets a 4 match ban, Bethell himself described it as 'handbags'

You do know that when United fans whine about Cantona's ban, Rooney's ban, Evra's ban, you really do sound and act like scousers?

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:41 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

You do know that when United fans whine about Cantona's ban, Rooney's ban, Evra's ban, you really do sound and act like scousers?

says the scouse apologist, I am merely answering your posts

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:04 pm  

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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:16 pm  

JWP wrote:

Who plays for England out of position?

Who was the last 'good' English player that was versatile? Probably Owen Hargreaves, but he isn't English, he's German trained. The reason I ask this is because our biggest weakness has always been our inability to adapt. The Spanish are a good example of how versatility can benefit a side, another good example are the Germans. Do people remember Schweinsteiger being a winger? Now he's one of the most complete midfielders in the world. Lahm has played either flank comfortably. Ozil can play left, right or down the middle, as can Muller. You'll see players like Marin and Reus this summer, whilst everybody knows international footballers greatest winger - Podolski - who's always been a striker, hasn't he?

In England, we seem to accept the bile that idiots like Jamie Redknapp come up with. All Redknapp ever said about Gerrard was 'first name on my team sheet, in the middle, bossing the midfield'. Even when Benitez played him centrally and gained his greatest form, Redknapp would still have had him in midfield.

If the English players could adapt more, both positionally and in their playing style, we'd probably look remotely decent. Our obsession with playing players in their 'natural position' had led to us 'over accommodating' players. We had Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney playing centrally, when one would have been sufficient.

For me, a player like Sturridge would suit England perfectly if they're to play a counter-attacking style, which I feel they should do. England over recent years have always assumed the role of 'favourite', but, as was seen against Spain, when England aren't favourites and don't try to be, they can actually grind out a decent result. Yes, it was a friendly, but they shown a lot more in that one game than they shown during the World Cup. That should have set the template there and then, they should try and do to Germany what Germany done to them: defend tightly, counter-attack quickly, win the key positional battles and cramp their creative players for space. If England turn up playing 4-4-2, Lampard and Barry in midfield with Rooney and whoever up front, they'll be embarrassed.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:20 pm  

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