Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:09 am
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:
Isn't Moyes MASSIVELY better off starting as Man United manager with Fergie's seal of approval than he would be by standing by his record?
I don't think there's a shadow of doubt that Moyes NEEDS Fergie's approval. Man United fans would have gone mental over the appointment of Moyes if this was simply a Glazer appointment. The only thing that has protected him from the derision of United fans is that Ferguson was seen as the man who chose him.
With Ferguson at the club Moyes can probably get through a season or two of under performing without getting fired. If the pressure builds on Moyes, Fergie can stand up to the board and tell them to give him space, he can tell the fans that they need to support their manager. He can point to the fact he was given four years to win the cup, 7 to win the league. He can say that fans wanted him out before he was successful. He can buy Moyes time, no one else can.
The Glazer's needed Fergie on their side so that the fans would stay and pay back their massive loans. They needed Fergie to lie and say that they were good custodians of the club. They tell Fergie to pack his bags and walk away from the stadium he built and he's not going to spin that crap any more.
If Moyes wants a 30m player in January, he's got a far better chance of being able to get him if he's got Fergie backing him up than he has by himself.
Jose Mourinho cast a shadow over Stamford Bridge from the moment he left until he came back. Fergie will do the same at Old Trafford. Manchester United simply cannot keep him away if he wants to be there.
You think Moyes is a good manager and he'll do a good job for United, given time. Fergie evidently thinks that. IMO as long as Fergie thinks Moyes will come good, he'll be kept in a job. It won't matter what the press say, it won't matter what the fans say, Fergie will say he knows better and Moyes will have time to come good.
Without Fergie at MUFC, if the press have their knives sharpened, if they fans get restless because they don't like getting smacked by Citeh and done at home by West Brom, then the decision comes down to the Glazers. And they know F A about football.
I don't think there's a shadow of doubt that Moyes NEEDS Fergie's approval. Man United fans would have gone mental over the appointment of Moyes if this was simply a Glazer appointment. The only thing that has protected him from the derision of United fans is that Ferguson was seen as the man who chose him.
With Ferguson at the club Moyes can probably get through a season or two of under performing without getting fired. If the pressure builds on Moyes, Fergie can stand up to the board and tell them to give him space, he can tell the fans that they need to support their manager. He can point to the fact he was given four years to win the cup, 7 to win the league. He can say that fans wanted him out before he was successful. He can buy Moyes time, no one else can.
The Glazer's needed Fergie on their side so that the fans would stay and pay back their massive loans. They needed Fergie to lie and say that they were good custodians of the club. They tell Fergie to pack his bags and walk away from the stadium he built and he's not going to spin that crap any more.
If Moyes wants a 30m player in January, he's got a far better chance of being able to get him if he's got Fergie backing him up than he has by himself.
Jose Mourinho cast a shadow over Stamford Bridge from the moment he left until he came back. Fergie will do the same at Old Trafford. Manchester United simply cannot keep him away if he wants to be there.
You think Moyes is a good manager and he'll do a good job for United, given time. Fergie evidently thinks that. IMO as long as Fergie thinks Moyes will come good, he'll be kept in a job. It won't matter what the press say, it won't matter what the fans say, Fergie will say he knows better and Moyes will have time to come good.
Without Fergie at MUFC, if the press have their knives sharpened, if they fans get restless because they don't like getting smacked by Citeh and done at home by West Brom, then the decision comes down to the Glazers. And they know F A about football.
Moyes has got a better chance of getting a £30m player if Fergie is backing him. But eventually he'll want to buy a player that Fergie doesn't really like. I doubt that Fergie would tell Glazer not to buy him, just not look terribly enthusiastic about the idea.
That was the biggest criticism that was made about Busby as a director. That effectively he exercised a veto on player recruitment. That's got to undermine a manager, unless his predecessor is formally given a D of F title.
You said that United should have appointed Mourinho, but if Mourinho had a request to sign a £30m player turned down and he later found out that Fergie had been asked his opinion on the player, how long do you think it would take Jose to pack his bags?
