Re: Football Chat Thread : Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:40 pm  

El Pac Carnegie wrote: Take a look at the match stats t'old pal. Chances were even and probably in Real's favour when the sending off happened. Fouls committed is an interesting one as well. Real were spoiling the game yet conceded 4 less fouls. Interesting, very interesting So you think match stats illustrate spoiling tactics? If you were to look at it from a purely footballing perspective, i.e. what happened on the field, you would quite clearly see the embarrassment that was Real Madrid. Effectively playing five at the back for long spells, rarely sending more than two/three players into the opposition half, putting 10 men behind the ball, not playing an orthodox striker, long, direct passing with little aim but to frustrate the opposition and hide impotence. Mourinho is an embarrassment, his side illustrated that perfectly. You defending that side really speaks for itself.

El Pac Carnegie wrote: Take a look at the match stats t'old pal. Chances were even and probably in Real's favour when the sending off happened. Fouls committed is an interesting one as well. Real were spoiling the game yet conceded 4 less fouls. Interesting, very interesting So you think match stats illustrate spoiling tactics? If you were to look at it from a purely footballing perspective, i.e. what happened on the field, you would quite clearly see the embarrassment that was Real Madrid. Effectively playing five at the back for long spells, rarely sending more than two/three players into the opposition half, putting 10 men behind the ball, not playing an orthodox striker, long, direct passing with little aim but to frustrate the opposition and hide impotence. Mourinho is an embarrassment, his side illustrated that perfectly. You defending that side really speaks for itself.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:48 pm  

Judging by his comments this week it seems that Cristiano Ronaldo agrees with some of your points.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:57 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

Mourinho is an embarrassment,

Mourinho = 5 x Benitez

Mourinho goes to Inter, wins a treble. Leaves Inter, Benitez goes there, gets fired after a few months because her can't hack it.

If Mourinho is an embarrassment, wtf is the fat Spanish waiter?

And if you're against "negative" football then you should have hated Benitez, who could only win things with penalty shoot outs.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:58 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

So you think match stats illustrate spoiling tactics? If you were to look at it from a purely footballing perspective, i.e. what happened on the field, you would quite clearly see the embarrassment that was Real Madrid. Effectively playing five at the back for long spells, rarely sending more than two/three players into the opposition half, putting 10 men behind the ball, not playing an orthodox striker, long, direct passing with little aim but to frustrate the opposition and hide impotence.

Mourinho is an embarrassment, his side illustrated that perfectly. You defending that side really speaks for itself.

I think both teams were as bad as each other when it came to the niggling however people are getting rabid about Madrids niggling while continuing to fondle themselves when talking about Barca. Both teams were as bad as each other.

I can look at a match and 2 teams and see that one team can't win by flooding forward. It would appear Mourinho agreed with that. If Madrid try and play Barca at their own game they play right into their hands. You push forward on Barca and they will kill you by playing through the gaps you leave. You make them play in front of you. This was shown in this seasons first El Clasico where Real were destroyed 5-0. Mourinho probably looked at that game, realised it didn't work and that he has an inferior team much like he had at Inter.

What did he do against Barca in the CL with Inter? He got men behind the ball and made Barca play through them and it worked. Sure it's terrible to watch but Mourinho is paid to win football matches and not to make them look pretty. Playing in this style over the last 3 El Clasico's Real have produced decent results. A 1-1 draw, 1-0 Cup Final victory and 0-0 until the sending off of Pepe. After the red card the gaps I mentioned appeared and Barca took hold of the game.

There are many different ways to play football and not all teams can play it the way Barca do.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:22 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Mourinho = 5 x Benitez

Mourinho goes to Inter, wins a treble. Leaves Inter, Benitez goes there, gets fired after a few months because her can't hack it.

If Mourinho is an embarrassment, wtf is the fat Spanish waiter?

And if you're against "negative" football then you should have hated Benitez, who could only win things with penalty shoot outs.

Why are you so insistent on bringing up Benitez?

Watch what I do here, Mourinho gets sacked at Chelsea after doing FA in Europe, Grant comes straight in and takes them to the final. Grant>Mourinho?

It's easy to bring up that drivel, but I'm not bringing up Benitez here as he has sweet FA to do with Barca vs. Madrid.

For the record, I'm not particularly against negative football. What I am against is negative football being played when a manager has the best attacking players available at his disposal, when he has a squad that costs hundreds of millions to piece together, yet all he can do is give them the exact same instructions Sam Allardyce would give them. For someone who is the apparent best manager in the world, I find it pretty laughable that the moment he comes up against a side that's remotely superior, he pins the defence back, packs the midfield and plays for a clean sheet. Did it ever occur to anyone that Barca, playing with a makeshift defence and a midfield lacking Iniesta, might, just might, be slightly vulnerable? Especially after getting beat by Madrid in their last game. People just seemed to think Barca would destroy Madrid if Madrid tried anything, that's the defeatist's mentality and a mentality that shouldn't be applied when they're playing a weakened Barcelona side at home, only days after beating them.

You can point to Mourinho's record at previous clubs and say it speaks for itself, but, as I said, Mourinho is a results-only coach, if he isn't getting the results and winning the big trophies, WTF is his purpose? Football like that is only acceptable when trophies are won, and I'm not talking small-time domestic cups.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:49 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

Why are you so insistent on bringing up Benitez?

Watch what I do here, Mourinho gets sacked at Chelsea after doing FA in Europe, Grant comes straight in and takes them to the final. Grant>Mourinho?

Mourinho gets sacked by Chelsea after winning 5 trophies in 3 years. Grant gets sacked by Chelsea after being runner up in a Carling Cup Final, runner up in the league and runner up in the CL final. Mourinho = 500 x Grant.

It's easy to bring up that drivel, but I'm not bringing up Benitez here as he has sweet FA to do with Barca vs. Madrid.

Benitez is a clearly more negative manager than Mourinho. You deride Mourinho for being negative, yet you're one of the first to tout Benitez's qualities.

For the record, I'm not particularly against negative football. What I am against is negative football being played when a manager has the best attacking players available at his disposal, when he has a squad that costs hundreds of millions to piece together, yet all he can do is give them the exact same instructions Sam Allardyce would give them. For someone who is the apparent best manager in the world, I find it pretty laughable that the moment he comes up against a side that's remotely superior, he pins the defence back, packs the midfield and plays for a clean sheet. Did it ever occur to anyone that Barca, playing with a makeshift defence and a midfield lacking Iniesta, might, just might, be slightly vulnerable? Especially after getting beat by Madrid in their last game. People just seemed to think Barca would destroy Madrid if Madrid tried anything, that's the defeatist's mentality and a mentality that shouldn't be applied when they're playing a weakened Barcelona side at home, only days after beating them.

A two leg European tie against the acknowledged best team in Europe. Drawing the home leg 0-0 and going to the 2nd leg with the knowledge that an away goal could win the tie is a massive advantage. And it's one that Real would have probably had if the ref hadn't come to Barca's aide yet again.

You can point to Mourinho's record at previous clubs and say it speaks for itself, but, as I said, Mourinho is a results-only coach, if he isn't getting the results and winning the big trophies, WTF is his purpose? Football like that is only acceptable when trophies are won, and I'm not talking small-time domestic cups.

I dispute that Mourinho only plays negatively.

90% of the time the tactics that Mourinho employs against the best sides are the the ones he faces. He knows how to attack sides, he knows when to attack. If his side goes down, then the containment defence is sacrificed and the tactics are massively adapted to meet the changing situation. That's why, 1-0 down at the Emirates at half time and having had a player sent off, Chelsea dominated the second half and ended with a 1-1 draw. Going a goal down to West Ham and having a man sent off, they went and won 4-1. Last season in the second leg against us, we score to get back in the game and Inter go up and kill the tie within 60 seconds.

IMO Mourinho's defence would triumph over Barca's attack. As good as Barca's players and play are, they're still not good enough to be able overcome a strong defence who are committed to stopping them.

Until the refs start throwing up red cards for yellow card offences though.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:49 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Mourinho = 5 x Benitez

Mourinho goes to Inter, wins a treble. Leaves Inter, Benitez goes there, gets fired after a few months because her can't hack it.

If Mourinho is an embarrassment, wtf is the fat Spanish waiter?

And if you're against "negative" football then you should have hated Benitez, who could only win things with penalty shoot outs.

Couldnt agree more with this post. Benitez is a very poor manager in my opinion. Liverpool have been crying out for wingers with pace for many years but Benitez quite clearly ignored what was an obvious problem. Mourinho is head and shoulders above the rest in Football Management with the only exception being Sir Alex Ferguson.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:10 pm  

However highly rated Mourinho is, I hope he doesn't end up at MUFC.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:29 pm  

Karlos13 wrote:

However highly rated Mourinho is, I hope he doesn't end up at MUFC.

Why?

If he returned to CFC, or went to Citeh, and dominated the game in the way Sir Alex has, would you still be glad he hadn't come to OT?

I read that Bobby Charlton is against Mourinho becoming MU manager, but IMO Fergie would welcome him with open arms and he'd move upstairs. I think that Mourinho as manager with Fergie upstairs would be one of the most fearsome pairings in football. I think Mourinho and Ferguson could work together perfectly.

I dread Mourinho going to Man United.

But I do think it is what Abramovich deserves.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:35 pm  

Don't like his style. It is all about him rather than the team on the pitch. Throw in his ultra negative tactics and it wouldn't sit too well with me. Would imagine most Utd fans would welcome him though.