Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:11 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

I cannot believe I went to watch Everton tonight. I'm still numb. Numb from the monotonous football from a desperate side who are fortunate the Premier League is a festering mess of pathetic sides as otherwise they'd be in serious relegation trouble. I have never known a supposidly established Premier League side struggle so badly with the basics of the game. It doesn't matter that there is no 30 goal a season striker around, any of those available should be able to put a chance or two away per game. But there is no creativity, no movement. When you start games with Tony Hibbert on the flank, pack the midfield with Phil Neville and John Heitinga, you are admitting you've got no ambition.

Tim Howard's goal was a highlight, but even that depressed me as I'd taken him out of my fantasy football team as I knew we'd lose to Bolton.

I just don't see a future for Moyes at Everton. He's clearly hanging on for a buyout, but it's not like successful buyouts are commonplace in the Premier League. A non-glamourous club like Everton is far more like to end up with a Chicken farmer that will relegate and bankrupt the club than an oil oligarch that will transform it. And it's not like the current board have any intention of selling, it's all hot air.

Amazing that a team as totally hopeless as Everton is in the top half.

Was at the game last night in the away end and the natural pessimistic nature of being a Wanderers fan meant I didn't fancy us to win, nor were we feeling very comfortable near the end when Everton started to push forward. But putting aside those tendancies that are part and parcel of supporting Bolton, I was really shocked to see how poor Everton were; constantly giving the ball away and allowing us to push forward, something that definitely helped when playing a lone striker as it allowed Eagles and Petrov so support N'Gog that bit more. Glad that Moyes acknowledged the better side won as I thought it was the best footballing performance I've seen from a Bolton side in a long while, especially away from home.

If Everton continue in that vein of form then there's nothing to say they won't be dragged in to the mire a bit, although it's hard to say whether any of the current bottom three are good enough to put together a sustained run of form to get out of it.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:30 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

I cannot believe I went to watch Everton tonight. I'm still numb. Numb from the monotonous football from a desperate side who are fortunate the Premier League is a festering mess of pathetic sides as otherwise they'd be in serious relegation trouble. I have never known a supposidly established Premier League side struggle so badly with the basics of the game. It doesn't matter that there is no 30 goal a season striker around, any of those available should be able to put a chance or two away per game. But there is no creativity, no movement. When you start games with Tony Hibbert on the flank, pack the midfield with Phil Neville and John Heitinga, you are admitting you've got no ambition.

Tim Howard's goal was a highlight, but even that depressed me as I'd taken him out of my fantasy football team as I knew we'd lose to Bolton.

I just don't see a future for Moyes at Everton. He's clearly hanging on for a buyout, but it's not like successful buyouts are commonplace in the Premier League. A non-glamourous club like Everton is far more like to end up with a Chicken farmer that will relegate and bankrupt the club than an oil oligarch that will transform it. And it's not like the current board have any intention of selling, it's all hot air.

Amazing that a team as totally hopeless as Everton is in the top half.

Moyes needs to go.... The football that Everton are playing this season is absolutely dreadful and it has nothing at all to do with the financial situation, but, instead, because of Moyes's awful, negative tactics....Neville and Heitinga in centre midfield tells you all you need to know about how clueless he is.

Everton are now playing as badly as in Walter Smith's final days....It is horrible stuff....At least Smith had ideas of wanting to play some attractive football, naively signing Gazza and Ginola, who were both well past their best, but Moyes is just hellbent on tediously grinding 1-0 wins.

I would sooner go down with a manager playing decent football than continuously put up with Moyes's shocking stuff, season after season.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:06 pm  

Great statement from Ouseley. Liverpool have to be seen to be defending Suarez otherwise that's £20m down the drain (or whatever he cost) so I understand their statement even if I disagree with it. What I don't understand is the continued harping on about it by Liverpool fans who appear to be suggesting that Suarez is the victim here. Last time I looked it wasn't Suarez who was racially abused so even if you disagree with the penalty to try to turn it into some victim issue stinks quite frankly and a betrayal of Liverpool's (both the club and the city) values. Let it go, move on and learn from it.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:08 pm  

There's no point letting Moyes go unless Everton are going to appoint Big Sam or some other budget beating manager because Moyes has performed miracles, albeit ugly ones, with what he's to play with. Irrespective of his tactics the criticism of him is way over the top and it's sad to see him get stick now after the way he's belligerently defended and promoted Everton over the years. Get behind your manager or it'll be 100 years before we see you back in the Premiership.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:24 pm  

McClennan wrote:

There's no point letting Moyes go unless Everton are going to appoint Big Sam or some other budget beating manager because Moyes has performed miracles, albeit ugly ones, with what he's to play with. Irrespective of his tactics the criticism of him is way over the top and it's sad to see him get stick now after the way he's belligerently defended and promoted Everton over the years. Get behind your manager or it'll be 100 years before we see you back in the Premiership.

This is the problem in one.....People on the outside see Moyes as a miracle-worker, when, in fact, he has a decent squad, which is massively under-performing because of his awful tactics.

Personally, I don't think anybody could do WORSE with the players Moyes has at his disposal....Just because you are skint, doesn't mean you have to sink to flairless, basic, negative football.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:25 pm  

Liverpool to take the field in Dobson and Norris shirts, for tommorrow night's game











sorry

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:06 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

I believe that if it hadnt been for the t shirts, the lack of any acceptance that Evra had a right to be offended by the tem "negro" (even if it wasnt meant offensively) and the obnoxious statements, many neutrals and large sections of the media would probably have had some concerns with the outcome. But because of the way that LFC have handled this I think they, if not Suarez, got what they deserved.

That pretty much sums it up. Won't stop most of em crying 'injustice' though.

Thoughts for the derby on Sunday? The only hope I can see for Utd is us fluking some sort of 1-0 win, which city probably won't be too bothered about being top of the league. A Utd win will be seen more as a relief to me rather than something to celebrate wildly (unless it's 1-6).

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:19 pm  

lefty goldblatt wrote:

Liverpool to take the field in Dobson and Norris shirts, for tommorrow night's game











sorry

nob.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:31 pm  

McClennan wrote: Great statement from Ouseley. Liverpool have to be seen to be defending Suarez otherwise that's £20m down the drain (or whatever he cost) so I understand their statement even if I disagree with it. What I don't understand is the continued harping on about it by Liverpool fans who appear to be suggesting that Suarez is the victim here. Last time I looked it wasn't Suarez who was racially abused so even if you disagree with the penalty to try to turn it into some victim issue stinks quite frankly and a betrayal of Liverpool's (both the club and the city) values. Let it go, move on and learn from it. this ousely mate?? (copied and pasted from another site) Lord Ousley, who slaughtered Suarez in the press today just happens to be on the board of the Man United Foundation http://www.mufoundation.org/AboutTheFou ... Board.aspx Oh Dear.

McClennan wrote: Great statement from Ouseley. Liverpool have to be seen to be defending Suarez otherwise that's £20m down the drain (or whatever he cost) so I understand their statement even if I disagree with it. What I don't understand is the continued harping on about it by Liverpool fans who appear to be suggesting that Suarez is the victim here. Last time I looked it wasn't Suarez who was racially abused so even if you disagree with the penalty to try to turn it into some victim issue stinks quite frankly and a betrayal of Liverpool's (both the club and the city) values. Let it go, move on and learn from it. this ousely mate?? (copied and pasted from another site) Lord Ousley, who slaughtered Suarez in the press today just happens to be on the board of the Man United Foundation http://www.mufoundation.org/AboutTheFou ... Board.aspx Oh Dear.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:03 pm  

McClennan wrote:

Great statement from Ouseley. Liverpool have to be seen to be defending Suarez otherwise that's £20m down the drain (or whatever he cost) so I understand their statement even if I disagree with it. What I don't understand is the continued harping on about it by Liverpool fans who appear to be suggesting that Suarez is the victim here. Last time I looked it wasn't Suarez who was racially abused so even if you disagree with the penalty to try to turn it into some victim issue stinks quite frankly and a betrayal of Liverpool's (both the club and the city) values. Let it go, move on and learn from it.

I'm not airing my views here, I'm just trying to offer a bit of an impression of what I think most fans feel. Most of our fans believe what Suarez has said, they believe he only used the word once, they believe he didn't use it to racially abuse Evra and they believe that the 'hearing' was unfair due to the results being based on 'probability'. Most 'outsiders' won't get it, whilst I can see both sides of the argument, I do find it a little odd that people are having a go at a club/fans for standing by a person they believe is right. You may not agree with some of the statements, the t-shirts or even Suarez's 'general apology', but surely it isn't so hard to understand why somebody would stand by someone who continues to plead innocence? There are some that haven't (WFIII is a good example), but there are many others who will stand by Suarez and Dalglish, especially in their stance against calls for them to apologise for something they haven't yet admitted to.