Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:51 am  

Lol at one of the microphones picking up "I'm gonna farking kill you" from one of the coaches after that holding penalty

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:46 am  

LFCPatriotRhino wrote:

How crap are the Jaguars? About time they and their 7 fans relocated to L.A

Beat the Rvaens.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:15 am  

What do people make of the allegations made by the Falcons players about what Suh and Avril did when Ryan got injured?

Apparently they are claiming that Avril was kicking Ryan's feet when he was down and that Suh was trash talking him (along the lines of "get the cart").

Obviously both Lions players have denied it and the video seems to support them, particularly Avril. I've seen the video (admittedly only on youtube) and when Ryan goes down Avril/Suh aren't even in shot. The camera never leaves Ryan on the ground and literally nobody goes near him before the medical staff are attending to him. Plus the entire Falcons line is stood in the general area. I find it hard to believe that they saw Avril come out of nowhere and kick Ryan (clear enough to say it post game) and did nothing during the game.

As for Suh trash talking, Ryan apparently didn't even hear anything so if Suh did say something it wasn't very loud!

I'd like to see some punishment for the Falcons if it can be proved hat they have lied (the only issue which could be proven is that nobody kicked Ryan). I also find it quite ironic that these complaints of dirty play are coming from the team which both ourselves and the Lions have highlighted as dirty themselves.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:59 am  

William Bonney wrote:

Beat the Rvaens.

I watched it all, to be honest I reckon if we put together a team from the NFL posters on this thread we would have beat the Ravens last night they were absolutely terrible.

They got their 1st first down 6/7 minutes into the 3rd quarter and up until their second to last drive where they scored the TD they only had 50 odd yards or so on offence, and they got about 50 yards on that drive on one penalty

Josh Scobee won them the game with his 3 50+ yard kicks, all straight down the middle aswell

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:51 am  

ST_CONROY wrote:

I'd like to see some punishment for the Falcons if it can be proved hat they have lied (the only issue which could be proven is that nobody kicked Ryan). I also find it quite ironic that these complaints of dirty play are coming from the team which both ourselves and the Lions have highlighted as dirty themselves.

Aww bless - has Ryan Pickett and BJ Raji's whining influenced your opinion in any way there? It does seem to be a Packer trait to complain about other teams being "dirty" - wasn't it the Steelers defense last year, the Giants O-line back in 2008 (according to Aaron "Cry Baby" Kampman)?

Perhaps they'd like to have a word with Charles Woodson, who did a pretty good job against the Saints of showing exactly how to play dirty by landing a low blow that he somehow managed to avoid getting ejected for?

Since when did someone making a comment to a newspaper which may or may not have been true turn into a league disciplinary issue?

You're probably the best team in football right now - enjoy it, don't go looking to right the wrongs of the world like you're somehow the great saviours of the NFL delivering it from evil. All that will lead to is you developing a reputation as whiners.

Oh, and as for Suh - he needs to seriously wind his neck in given his disciplinary record in the short time he's been in the NFL. Whether this actually happened or not, it's not the sort of thing you'd put past him.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:28 am  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Aww bless - has Ryan Pickett and BJ Raji's whining influenced your opinion in any way there? It does seem to be a Packer trait to complain about other teams being "dirty" - wasn't it the Steelers defense last year, the Giants O-line back in 2008 (according to Aaron "Cry Baby" Kampman)?

Listen, I've never personally noticed the Falcons O-line being dirty (nor do I think they are) but I find it ironic that other teams have labelled them dirty and now they are accusing other teams of doing dirty stuff to them, when it may never have even happened.

Andy Gilder wrote:

Perhaps they'd like to have a word with Charles Woodson, who did a pretty good job against the Saints of showing exactly how to play dirty by landing a low blow that he somehow managed to avoid getting ejected for?

Yeah. 100% he should have been ejected. I don't see your point?

Andy Gilder wrote:

Since when did someone making a comment to a newspaper which may or may not have been true turn into a league disciplinary issue?

The Suh issue is irrelevant really. He may or may not have said it. He could have meant it in a concerned manner or a sinister manner. We'll never know. If he was trying to taunt Ryan he wasn't doing a very good job because he wasn't even in shot and Ryan never heard it.

I think making up lies about a player kicking an injured player while he is down (literally) should be a league issue. Not neccesarily a suspension but the players(was it McClure and Roddy)/ team should be forced to make an apology. The video shows that it didn't happen. It isn't a 50/50 call, it can't be blamed on anything. It simply DID not happen. To defame a guy who has done nothing wrong for committing (morally) probably the worst act you can do is very wrong. Don't you agree?

Andy Gilder wrote:

You're probably the best team in football right now - enjoy it, don't go looking to right the wrongs of the world like you're somehow the great saviours of the NFL delivering it from evil. All that will lead to is you developing a reputation as whiners.

How will we develop a rep as whiners. What BJ and Pickett said was before this incident and after a win. If we had lost i'd agree it would be whinning. We didn't though.

I'm not trying to right the wrongs of the world, i'm simply commenting on seriously poor sportsmanship/lies. My view would be the same if it was said/done by a Packer player.

Andy Gilder wrote:

Oh, and as for Suh - he needs to seriously wind his neck in given his disciplinary record in the short time he's been in the NFL. Whether this actually happened or not, it's not the sort of thing you'd put past him.

He hasn't done anything wrong, (If he has trashed talked then so what i'm sure a lot of guys do it) so why does he need to wind his neck in?


Are you not concerned/annoyed that one of your players has lied about another player kicking your QB while he was injured?

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:38 am  

ST_CONROY wrote:

Are you not concerned/annoyed that one of your players has lied about another player kicking your QB while he was injured?

I'm concerned that they didn't think to hold their fire until they'd at least had chance to confirm that what they thought they saw/heard was what actually happened. I'm not aware of when these comments were made to the AJC, were they after the game in the locker room or during a press conference?

Without being in McClure and White's heads to know why they said what they said, it's a big call to say they've deliberately gone out and lied rather than simply been mistaken, but for two players to go out and independently make up corroborating stories to tell the press stretches believability IMO.

Mike Smith sidestepped the issue in his Monday press conference, commenting instead on how hard and physical the game had been. We've got a bye week now and the coaches/players have been given the week off, so I wouldn't expect to see any more comment coming out of Flowery Branch about the incident.

If you can't see the relevance between two Packers whining about another team being dirty, not long after one of their own players should have been ejected for punching an opponent after the play was dead, I suspect any further attempts at rational discussion might not be worth either of our time.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:16 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

If you can't see the relevance between two Packers whining about another team being dirty, not long after one of their own players should have been ejected for punching an opponent after the play was dead, I suspect any further attempts at rational discussion might not be worth either of our time.

I sere what your trying to say. We had a player who committed a dirty act and so shouldn't be able to comment on any future dirty acts against us. I disagree. If they had defended Woodson then that would be a different story and would be hypocritical of them.

Again, what Woodson did is unjustifiable and he should have been ejected. Likewise i've never seen the Falcons actually be dirty.

Andy Gilder wrote:

Without being in McClure and White's heads to know why they said what they said, it's a big call to say they've deliberately gone out and lied rather than simply been mistaken, but for two players to go out and independently make up corroborating stories to tell the press stretches believability IMO.

I think what they are saying(well implying) happened is also pretty unbelievable.

Firstly it's pretty difficult to be mistaken about somebody kicking your QB while he is down, especially when they specifically said kicking in the feet. This would be especially difficult for McClure who is about 1 metre away from Ryan at all times.

It's also hard to be mistaken when there are no Lions players anywhere near Ryan. What can you mistake for kicking if there is nobody near him at all?

Finally and what I find most confusing is if it was so obvious that Avril had kicked Ryan, so much so that White who is running a route can see it, then presumably the rest of the line can too. So they saw the franchise QB lying on the floor getting kicked by a defensive player and did nothing. They didn't go after Avril, they didn't highlight it to the refs, a mass brawl was not started? I find that truly unbelievable.

Do you not find it strange that your team didn't do anything based on the (mistaken) belief that Ryan was being attacked?

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:20 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

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The Lions causing trouble again eh? I think it makes the fracas with the 49ers a lot clearer now in terms of who created the incident i.e. not Harbaugh.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:50 pm  

Ndamukong wrote:

Incredible. How Tampa are back in this I don't know but should be set up for a good finish.

It's been the story of our season. As bad as we can be we can also be equally as good. Our receivers are constantly getting beat though and this is the reason for the majority of ints. Freeman has thrown some bad ones too of course but it seems like every 1 in 10 passes we get someone open. That bullet pass into Williams chest that should have been a TD is a good example. Instead he didn't get a good hold on it and the defender came away with the ball.

I'm glad the bye week is here though. We need Blount and McCoy back. Blount especially now that Graham is out for the season. Lumpkin doesnt look ready for the NFL yet. The loss in game of Graham, Foster, Price and Jackson didn't help either but no excuses. For 2 and half quarters we were awful. Talib deserved the earbashing too. Instead of having a game winning drive with 3:30 and 3 time outs left we were left with 1:58 and 2 time outs.