Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:27 am  

Saddened! wrote:

I see Liverpool are setting themselves up for being fleeced in the transfer market this summer.

Ian Ayre stated today "It will cost what it costs when we decide who the manager wants to buy". They are saying that once Brendan decides who he wants, they will go and get them, regardless of cost.

So if you are the Chairman that receives that call from Ayre your starting position is take the players value, double it and add £10m. Your £10m Spanish midfielder suddenly becomes £30m.

Why would someone so high up in the business side of a football team set himself up like that? If they wanted some PR spin, they could have stopped at 'We'll back Brendan this summer'.

Because they are giddy with their own genius. Peter Ridsdale had a dose of it before Leeds United's collapse.

I really don't see how they can spend big in the summer. They made a 50m pound loss in their last accounts, they are projected to make around a 50m loss in their next accounts. Next year they will have to comply with FFP with three years of accounts. I've said it before but Liverpool could be one of the clubs who come unstuck with FFP because they think it doesn't apply to "good" clubs like them.

Man City and PSG have set up their BS sponsorship deals. UEFA will say next month whether they are going to get away with it. But what are Liverpool going to do to make sure they comply with FFP? I don't think they can spend big and also comply with FFP.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:03 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Because they are giddy with their own genius. Peter Ridsdale had a dose of it before Leeds United's collapse.

I really don't see how they can spend big in the summer. They made a 50m pound loss in their last accounts, they are projected to make around a 50m loss in their next accounts. Next year they will have to comply with FFP with three years of accounts. I've said it before but Liverpool could be one of the clubs who come unstuck with FFP because they think it doesn't apply to "good" clubs like them.

Man City and PSG have set up their BS sponsorship deals. UEFA will say next month whether they are going to get away with it. But what are Liverpool going to do to make sure they comply with FFP? I don't think they can spend big and also comply with FFP.

The new telly deals and their participation in the CL should mean that they will generate at least £70m extra income next season compared to last.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:27 pm  

Is Van Gaal really the man for United. I'll admit when it was announced he was in line for it, I had him down as one of the uber-coaches, a guy with a list of trophies as long as his arm. I thought he'd won a few Champions Leagues, but he's won 1.

In 23 years he has won 7 league titles and four of those were in Holland, 3 with Ajax, which is only one step up from winning trophies in Scotland. He then moved on and won 2 La Liga's with Barcelona, again not exactly the hardest thing to do as a manager as it would have been no more than a 3 horse race. After Barca he took over as coach of Holland and failed to qualify for the World Cup and was sacked. He moved back to Barca and lasted 8 months with them hovering about the relegation zone when he was sacked. He was then appointed as Ajax's DOF but sacked within 12 months due to internal complaints. Back to management with AZ where he won 1 league in 4 years, then onto Bayern where he won 1 league and 1 cup before being sacked again.

His career seems to follow the same path. Poor start, recovery, title, internal conflict, decline, sacked. His one big achievement is the Champions League with Ajax.

He's definitely experienced. Clearly won much more than Moyes. But it's not like the guaranteed success the media seem to be suggesting. He's just as likely to cause a row and be sacked as he is to return them to glory.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:12 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Is Van Gaal really the man for United.

No. But he's 10 times better than Moyes, which is a start for them.

I think they should be approaching Borussia Dortmund for Klopp and a few of their players at possibly exaggerated fees. Build links between the two clubs so that BD can willingly allow Klopp to step up to the big stage.

My worst fear is that they do turn their brains on and try and get Mourinho. The only reason I think they can't get him now is that we wouldn't allow him to go under any circumstances. And I think Man United are so up themselves they wouldn't admit they screwed up by not going for him in the first place.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:36 pm  

United job seems very complicated. The club don't look capable of making the correct decision. There also seems to be the issue that there are very few 'elite' coaches about, with the list being very short, and most of the varying wildly in their styles/personalities.

Will United stick to picking/begging from the very small elite crop, or do they take another punt on an 'up and comer' that could simply be ready, without having made the step up already.

There are many issues to come, I find it hard to believe United will just appoint one man and allow this man to spend £150m-£200m on players to get them back into Europe. Surely the owners can't take such a risk?!

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:54 pm  

I thought Hiddink was awesome during his time with us. He's wasting his time taking over from van Gaal. Man United should be going for him rather than van Gaal.

On another forum Marcelo Bielsa is worshiped as the greatest tactician in the world. There's a Columbian Man United fan who rates him and a few South American's who rate him as the best manager in the world. I look at his record and ask why the greatest manager on earth has such an awful record. But they love him, so I kind of wish United would appoint him just so he can crash and burn and shut his acolytes up.

United job seems very complicated. The club don't look capable of making the correct decision.

But what is the correct decision though? What do you think they should do?

I think the Glazers know NOTHING about football and have been allowed to coast until now under SAF. I think if they could find a buyer right now they'd sell up and let the new owners worry about what to do.

Appointing Moyes was a Ferguson decision. It was a terrible one. I don't know whether Fergie sanctioned Moyes's sacking or the Glazers have made their first major decision, but IMO it's a correct one. Who they bring in now will be a huge decision.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:43 am  

Stevie Bruce and Giggsy as sidekick

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:29 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

United job seems very complicated. The club don't look capable of making the correct decision. There also seems to be the issue that there are very few 'elite' coaches about, with the list being very short, and most of the varying wildly in their styles/personalities.

Will United stick to picking/begging from the very small elite crop, or do they take another punt on an 'up and comer' that could simply be ready, without having made the step up already.

There are many issues to come, I find it hard to believe United will just appoint one man and allow this man to spend £150m-£200m on players to get them back into Europe. Surely the owners can't take such a risk?!

They also cant afford to repeat last summer's transfer window flop. And with the World Cup restricting the time available to do deals, they need to get the new manager appointed quickly.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:50 pm  

I see Barcelona's transfer ban didn't last long....

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:43 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

My worst fear is that they do turn their brains on and try and get Mourinho. The only reason I think they can't get him now is that we wouldn't allow him to go under any circumstances. And I think Man United are so up themselves they wouldn't admit they screwed up by not going for him in the first place.

United wouldn't touch him simply because they know the fans wouldn't put up with the negative, turgid rubbish that the bloke gets his sides to play.

From a results perspective, Mourinho is a great manager, but he is a relic from the past with his dull defensive tactics, which are a throwback to the Italian sides of the 70's and 80's, who bored the ar$e off 99% of football observers.

There is no way that Mourinho would be allowed to spend shedloads of cash on seemingly world class players and then have them play in the manner that Chelsea did on Tuesday night.