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Re: Even More Football Chat : Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:37 am  
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Please explain. Shawcross cheated last week and got away with it. At the weekend, he didn't cheat but he was sent-off. Divine retribution IMO.
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Re: Even More Football Chat : Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:50 am  
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I know Shawcross isn't "that type of player" (they never are :roll: ) but wasn't he the player who, for no apparent reason, put Adebayor into the stand when he was already off the pitch when Stoke played Arsenal last season?


I don't know what Shawcross did last season. I don't know whether he is a snide player, as I've read since this incident.

IMO the only thing to judge on is this incident. IMO in this incident Shawcross did pretty much nothing wrong. The fouls Shawcross has done in the past, the incident he was involved with in mid-week have no bearing on what happened with Ramsey.

I read an article a while back which said something like the myopia surrounding Wenger isn't from him, it's from "football fans" who go off on one whenever there is an incident surrounding Arsenal, usually attributing comments to him that he hasn't even made. He says a tackle is "unacceptable" and apparently this means everyone's sympathies should be with Shawcross. Odd, but then again I long ago realised that 95% of "football fans" are idiots.


People are rightly sick of Wenger's castigation of opposition players committing bad fouls when he refuses to acknowledge the bad fouls that his side have committed.

Shawcross's challenge was not a "unacceptable" challenge. It was simply an innocuous 50/50 which he happened to lose out on and unfortunately a broken leg occurred. By labeling it as unacceptable you are attributing blame towards Shawcross, which he does not deserve.
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Re: Even More Football Chat : Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:15 pm  
Isn't it noticeable how much Wenger and his moaning about nasty opposition players has increased since he stopped having Patrick Vieira kicking lumps out of anything that moved...
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Re: Even More Football Chat : Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:30 pm  
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Isn't it noticeable how much Wenger and his moaning about nasty opposition players has increased since he stopped having Patrick Vieira kicking lumps out of anything that moved...


Just imagine if any current Arsenal player dived in, 2 footed on someone, injuring the opposition player involved?? Nah that'd never happen as Arsenal are paragons of footballing excellence and their ridiculously bad disciplinary record is solely down to poor refereeing.

And as for Shawcross "cheating" the other night - please explain what he did wrong??? It's not his fault he got clipped in the face is it???
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Re: Even More Football Chat : Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:15 pm  
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And as for Shawcross "cheating" the other night - please explain what he did wrong??? It's not his fault he got clipped in the face is it???


If you are 'clipped', do you fall down in a heap?

Hopefully, he won't play for England too. Simply not good enough.
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Re: Even More Football Chat : Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:30 pm  
Imagine if Fergie would have realised Rooney was a striker when Ronaldo was still around, they'd have easily beaten Barcelona with the Rooney and Ronaldo roles reversed

They'd have scored a fair few goals as well :D
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Re: Even More Football Chat : Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:31 pm  
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Isn't it noticeable how much Wenger and his moaning about nasty opposition players has increased since he stopped having Patrick Vieira kicking lumps out of anything that moved...


Also seems to have forgotten about the Gallas challenge on Davies the other month, quite conviently.
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Re: Even More Football Chat : Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:12 pm  
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No sympathy for Shawcross. His reaction to a hand-off from Adebayor in midweek was a disgrace. I actuyally enjoyed seeing him so distraught. Tough luck, Rag.


A rag who put city out of the FA cup. 8)
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Re: Even More Football Chat : Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:38 pm  
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If you are 'clipped', do you fall down in a heap?

Hopefully, he won't play for England too. Simply not good enough.


He didn't go down "in a heap" - he went down more out of shock Id say but he clearly wasn't holding his face and/or rolling around but lets not let facts get in the way of having a go at an ex-Nited player hey??
FWIW I thought it was a very harsh sending-off but you can't say that Shawcross was cheating...but he DID used to play for Nited so that explains a lot in yr case!

And as for not being good enough for England - very probably true but at least Capello is looking at players away from the "big" clubs and City to find players who may be able to make the step up to international class.
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Re: Even More Football Chat : Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:49 pm  
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He didn't go down "in a heap" - he went down more out of shock Id say but he clearly wasn't holding his face and/or rolling around but lets not let facts get in the way of having a go at an ex-Nited player hey??


Ha ha ha

His fall to the floor was to get Adebayor sent-off. No doubt about it.
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