: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:24 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

He is way more than average. He is a fantastic QB. As for the comments about Elway he may have a stronger arm than him but that is not to say he is a better player, and he has never claimed he is.

So you have to lead a team to the play-offs to be a franchise QB?

Therefore:

Trent Dilfer was a franchise QB?
Rex Grossman is a franchise QB?

Amongst others.

Rodgers isn't a franchise QB?

A franchise QB is somebody you can build a team around for years to come. Cutler is one of those players.

If Cutler isn't a franchise QB in your opinion then why trade for Cassell who has done nothing either?

Who would you say is a franchise QB?

Its easy for people to say the obvious ones like Brady, Manning e.t.c the proven ones but the franchise qbs are the up and coming qbs with massive potential like Matt Ryan say but again he could be a one season wonder.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:21 pm  

Stirlingshire Saint wrote:

Are you genuinely claiming to be Tom Brady ?

Is it a looney pop day out or something ?

There are some strange folk hang around on t'internet.

It's called having a laugh mate, bit of banter. I agree that there are some crazy folk on here pal, people saying Ledley King is the best defender in the premiership.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:40 pm  

Stirlingshire Saint wrote:

Are you genuinely claiming to be Tom Brady ?

Is it a looney pop day out or something ?

There are some strange folk hang around on t'internet.

Are you genuinely claiming to be a Saint? Or, worse still, that you live in Scotland?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:44 pm  

Ian [77] wrote:

Are you genuinely claiming to be a Saint? Or, worse still, that you live in Scotland?

Yes to both unfortunately.

I am not an NFL Quarterback however.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:28 pm  

Charles Rogers, the #2 pick in the 2003 NFL draft is heading to jail

Still quite a few good free agents out there too, Jeff Garcia, Roy Williams, Derrek Brooks, Jason Taylor to name a few...

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:29 pm  

Stirlingshire Saint wrote:

Yes to both unfortunately.

I am not an NFL Quarterback however.

Me neither. I'm a strong safety.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:31 pm  

Sammy Stripes wrote:

Derrek Brooks, Jason Taylor to name a few...

Wouldn't mind these two at Green Bay. Soild veterans who could do well in our scheme.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:23 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

He is way more than average. He is a fantastic QB. As for the comments about Elway he may have a stronger arm than him but that is not to say he is a better player, and he has never claimed he is.

So you have to lead a team to the play-offs to be a franchise QB?

Therefore:

Trent Dilfer was a franchise QB?
Rex Grossman is a franchise QB?

Amongst others.

Rodgers isn't a franchise QB?

A franchise QB is somebody you can build a team around for years to come. Cutler is one of those players.

If Cutler isn't a franchise QB in your opinion then why trade for Cassell who has done nothing either?

Who would you say is a franchise QB?

We'll just have to agree to disagree on Cutler as I think Cassell will turn out to be a better QB than him and McDaniels seems to think the same as me,but hey he's only an NFL head coach what does he know Another thing you said was McDaniels set the Broncos back 5 years with this but if they drafted the right QB Flacco and Ryan showed last year you can turn a Franchise round in 1 year not 5.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:44 pm  

DAR130 wrote:

We'll just have to agree to disagree on Cutler as I think Cassell will turn out to be a better QB than him and McDaniels seems to think the same as me,but hey he's only an NFL head coach what does he know

I'm sure many people agree with me. Including most NFL coaches, Cutler top 10 pick. Cassell who knows where and even after his break out season only worth a 2nd round pick. McDaniels only prefers Cassell because A) he's an idiot B) he has coached him previously. If he was/is that in love with Cassell then he should offer Cutler to Kansas City for Cassell.

Your either extremely high on Cassell or extremely down on Cutler. I'm sure you'll change your mind if, as some rumours suggest, the Bears are interested in Cutler.

DAR130 wrote:

Another thing you said was McDaniels set the Broncos back 5 years with this but if they drafted the right QB Flacco and Ryan showed last year you can turn a Franchise round in 1 year not 5.

Big IF though.

They will need the number one pick to get Stafford. Will Detroit go for Cassell and give that up. Will they want the number one pick with all the financial implications. I doubt it.

Sanchez is unproven and Freeman has split opinions on him.

If they get one of those three can they be expected to play straight away. Ideally you want them to sit for a few seasons ala Rodgers to get up to NFL speed. You don't want a Joey Harrington/David Carr situation where they are beaten up/ not up to it and then bottle it.

Even if they are expected to play straight away then they still need to learn the system.

Realistically it will be one full season until they are upto speed with the system and the NFL.

5 years may be excessive, more likely 3 years until they are playing consistently at the same level as Cutler.



Cutler is higher in virtually all statistics than Cassell was last year.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:12 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

Your either extremely high on Cassell or extremely down on Cutler. I'm sure you'll change your mind if, as some rumours suggest, the Bears are interested in Cutler. .

I've seen the rumours and I will admit he would be an upgrade on Orton but Marino would struggle to impress in our offence with the group of recievers we've got