Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:10 pm  

Sthelens RLFC wrote:

He's better than Insua and Degen and therefore he is an improvement on what we have. Christ, he'll be luckyto get a game if everyone is fit but what are we supposed to do with limited funds? Sign two left backs at £10million each when we have other areas that need strengthening? Of what is available I'd take him. BTW, the cheeky c*nt is holding out for more money sowe probably won't even sign him!

I did see something about that, you can't blame the lad for trying. He might as well try and get an extra few quid warming your bench instead of Villa's dressing room. I don't see how he's an improvement on them too, he probably isn't any worse I'll give you but I don't think he's much better. Course he'll be lucky to get a game, he couldn't get a game for Villa, he shouldn't be playing for you.

Sthelens RLFC wrote:

Neville is finished, Hibbert never got started (don't tell me that Everton fans like him,I know for a fact the majority despair when he plays) and Ferreira is possibly the most overrated full back I've ever seen. For £2million I'd take Luke Young over the £14 million it cost for Ferriera

I'm not saying a lot of Everton fans are big Hibbert fans but He's better than Luke Young. The thing with Hibbert defensively he's better than most would have you believe, his tackling is spot on and he does have a bit of pace, he doesn't get caught out very often. You know the main reason why Everton fans arn't big Hibbert fans (I think despair is going a little OTT!) because he is poop going forward, he can't beat a man, his crossing is awful and he's never scored because it's become the fashion that as a FB now you must be able to attack, it's crazy. But we have Seamus Coleman coming through, he is our next FB and believe me the lad is pure class. Now he is a complete FB.

Catalancs wrote:

Torres out for 50% of season yet still managed to play 32 times?

That maths straight out of the Kop for you!

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:21 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

Torres out for 50% of season yet still managed to play 32 times?

He played in 32 of 56 games. I'd say he actually started less than half of the 56. Also, I said "about" 50%. Of total minutes played by Liverpool last season I'd bet Torres didn't even do 50%

Edit - He played 1713 minutes in the PL. Without injury time 38 x 90 is 3420. Including injury time he played less than 50% of time for Liverpool.

There's kop maths for you!

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:27 pm  

Dan_FC wrote:

:lol: I did see something about that, you can't blame the lad for trying. He might as well try and get an extra few quid warming your bench instead of Villa's dressing room. I don't see how he's an improvement on them too, he probably isn't any worse I'll give you but I don't think he's much better. Course he'll be lucky to get a game, he couldn't get a game for Villa, he shouldn't be playing for you.

I'm not saying a lot of Everton fans are big Hibbert fans but He's better than Luke Young. The thing with Hibbert defensively he's better than most would have you believe, his tackling is spot on and he does have a bit of pace, he doesn't get caught out very often. You know the main reason why Everton fans arn't big Hibbert fans (I think despair is going a little OTT!) because he is poop going forward, he can't beat a man, his crossing is awful and he's never scored because it's become the fashion that as a FB now you must be able to attack, it's crazy. But we have Seamus Coleman coming through, he is our next FB and believe me the lad is pure class. Now he is a complete FB.

That maths straight out of the Kop for you!

Finally a reasoned debate on this subject (Not having a pop at you, just the smiley face brigade)

Football is all about opinions. ATEOTD Hibbert has never had a sniff of England recognition and no teams seem to have ever come in for him. Young has had both, in abundace. I know he isn't top drawer but I'd rather have him over Hibbert. You wouldn't, fair enough.

Seen a bit of Coleman and he looks excellent.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:38 pm  

Sthelens RLFC wrote:

So our defence IS good then.

Always liked it, since the days of Hyppia and Henchoz.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:39 pm  

Sthelens RLFC wrote:

Ha, possibly true about Cole but a fresh start in his favourite position genuinely excites me. Again, I'm willing to be proven wrong.

The thing with Cole is he has never livec up to the hype surrounding him as a young player. Maybe an extended run in his favourite position may bring that out in him but I'm not convinced he'll ever be the player he was expected to be.

Sthelens RLFC wrote:

On Agger, I bet Torres doesn't make him wear a dog leash at training like he does to Vidic every time we play United.

Though I'd still have Vidic over Agger dog leash or no dog leash!

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:43 pm  

J.T wrote:

The thing with Cole is he has never livec up to the hype surrounding him as a young player. Maybe an extended run in his favourite position may bring that out in him but I'm not convinced he'll ever be the player he was expected to be.

I can understand people's reservations but even last season when he wasn't playing much, he still looked dangerous when he came on. Forgetting his goal, he was the bestplayer on the field at OT in the title decider for mine. Again, maybe I'm being too optimistic but we are desperate for some direction in the middle of the field and to take the pressure off Gerrard. For me, Cole is a great acquisition as he is hungry to prove himself. As Rooney said, he's the closest thing england has to a brazilian, and unless he was talking about his back, crack and sack, I'd take it as a complement!

J.T wrote:

Though I'd still have Vidic over Agger dog leash or no dog leash!

So would I currently but I'm expecting big things of Agger this season.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:44 pm  

Sthelens RLFC wrote:

Ha, possibly true about Cole but a fresh start in his favourite position genuinely excites me. Again, I'm willing to be proven wrong.

On Agger, I bet Torres doesn't make him wear a dog leash at training like he does to Vidic every time we play United.

Everytime?He's had the better of him twice. In 2007/2008 he was in the back pocket. We'll put an extra ball on for Gerrard next time so he can have a touch, either that or if he asks nicely Fletch he may let him tackle him.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:05 pm  

Mark wrote:

Everytime?He's had the better of him twice. In 2007/2008 he was in the back pocket. We'll put an extra ball on for Gerrard next time so he can have a touch, either that or if he asks nicely Fletch he may let him tackle him.

In the last 2 years he's had 3 red cards against us and Torres has made him look fairly daft. Surely you can accept that?

We've won two out the last 4 and Gerrard didn't even play in one of them so Fletcher's done well to nail him. I always thought it was Anderson's pocket Gerrard had to get out of.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:16 pm  

Sthelens RLFC wrote:

In the last 2 years he's had 3 red cards against us and Torres has made him look fairly daft. Surely you can accept that?

We've won two out the last 4 and Gerrard didn't even play in one of them so Fletcher's done well to nail him. I always thought it was Anderson's pocket Gerrard had to get out of.

I agree Torres has the better the past 2 seasons, but he didn't get a sniff the year before that,

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:18 pm  

Mark wrote:

Two-time european cup winner, 3 time premiership winner. Won medals in 3 different leagues. Reina is a Barca reject who has profited due to Liverpools defensive style of play.

Djimi Traores won more than Dan Agger. Get real FFS.

Pepe Reina is in the top 3 keepers in the world, whether you like scousers or not.