: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:45 pm  

OoOGazOoO wrote:

Maybe i was a bit vague mate.

I just meant in general, i.e. in the Premiership.

I think at club level he looks as good a striker in that mould as England have, along with Defoe as you say. Defoe, however, has scored 6 in 32 for England (to put into context, that's less goals in more games than Peter Crouch). Now I'm a fan of Defoe, don't get me wrong, I just feel that it's only fair to give Agbonlahor a run of games to see if he can transfer his ability to the international game more succesfully.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:48 pm  

Cracking header.

Spain have everything, Llorente was the only type of player I felt they've missed, but now he's broke into the national side, they look sorted.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:48 pm  

Upson got himself in a shocking position there.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:49 pm  

Bit too much ball-watching if we're brutally honest. A very good delivery and header, but he wasn't even challenged.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:53 pm  

I don't think England have been too bad tonight, but Spain are clearly a cut above.

To compete with opposition like this England desperately need a fit Owen Hargreaves, to snap at their heels and deny them time on the ball, and players like Rooney and Joe Cole available and on form to provide some creativity, but more than we need more of a football brain as a whole - and with it the ability to play sensible football and have a bit of patience.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:54 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

I think at club level he looks as good a striker in that mould as England have, along with Defoe as you say. Defoe, however, has scored 6 in 32 for England (to put into context, that's less goals in more games than Peter Crouch). Now I'm a fan of Defoe, don't get me wrong, I just feel that it's only fair to give Agbonlahor a run of games to see if he can transfer his ability to the international game more succesfully.

Yeh that's fair enough mate, let's not forget though that there is the old 'argument' about the quality of teams that Crouch has scored goals against.

People slate him, and he isnt the player that he used to be, but there is no way on earth that Michael Owen, when fit, shouldnt be part of the squad. He is a better option than Crouch, Cole and in my opinion, Agbonlahor.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:05 pm  

OoOGazOoO wrote:

Yeh that's fair enough mate, let's not forget though that there is the old 'argument' about the quality of teams that Crouch has scored goals against.

People slate him, and he isnt the player that he used to be, but there is no way on earth that Michael Owen, when fit, shouldnt be part of the squad. He is a better option than Crouch, Cole and in my opinion, Agbonlahor.

Defoe has also played against some weak opposition for England though IIRC, he's just struggled to make the step up, which is very disappointing.

I strongly disagree with the second point. He's well past his best, too injury prone and unreliable to stay available which ruins consistency, and nearing the end of his career so I see no point in persevering with him instead of helping younger potential make the grade.

On another note, can't believe I've just heard the headline 'Who's the greatest, Beckham or Bobby Moore?' A joke, surely?

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:08 pm  

Robbie Rotten wrote:

Cracking header.

Spain have everything, Llorente was the only type of player I felt they've missed, but now he's broke into the national side, they look sorted.

great header indeed.

Spain's midfield is awesome.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:10 pm  

flipper wrote:

great header indeed.

Should never have been given the space in the box by Terry to have the chance, but he did put it away well.

Spain blew us away tonight, they made us look like a pub team in spells. Xavi is phenomenal.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:20 pm  

AaronBull wrote:

Should never have been given the space in the box by Terry to have the chance, but he did put it away well.

Spain blew us away tonight, they made us look like a pub team in spells. Xavi is phenomenal.

I thought it was Upson?