Re: Even More Football Chat : Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:01 pm  

StuMain wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/02/red-knights-manchester-united

Out of the frying pan...?

The idea that United could be run successfully by a consortium of multi millionaires is laughable. It will be all sweetness and light initially but will descend into bickering acrimony within a couple of years, probably at the time when the Knights realise their £20m+ stake doesnt give them a say in who replaces Fergie.

Multi millionaires, with their associated egos, do not make good silent partners unless their investment is purely financial. Multi millionaire fans are even less likely to. They'll put in place governance arrangements to manage the club on a hands off basis but the minute that something controversial happens eg Rooney puts in a transfer it will fall apart.

How are Ebbsfleet doing these days?

Re: Even More Football Chat : Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:25 pm  

Paddy Evra wrote:

Wrong.

It started after Christmas. At that time United were top of the League, in the knockout stages of the European Cup and in the semi-final of the League Cup.

This all came about after the release of the financial figures of United, and the bond issue which mentioned the possible sale of Carrington.

A lot now depends on the Red Knights. If they can work up a viable agreement whereby they have the funds to make a bid for United, then MUST and the Red Knights will then come up with the next stage of the protest. ATM all they're wanting fans to do is to join MUST and get behind the GG campaign.

So they simply came up with the idea and implemented it straight away. I don't buy it.

You only have to look at United's forums to see that the worry about the financial situation started when we came into money.

Re: Even More Football Chat : Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:31 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Which was my point.

Red Knights offer fair market value + Green/Gold = Glazers say "Thanks, but no thanks. We keep the club."

Red Knights offer fair market value + Green/Gold + Serious show of intent in the form of boycotts and financial withdrawal from the club = Possible success.

If the MU supporters can organise effective, widespread boycotts over a period of several matches then the Glazers won't have any other option but to accept an offer.

If MU supporters can organise supporters to not turn up to Old Trafford, then surely they can arrange a worldwide campaign for MU supporters not to watch those £5 a match TV games. Instead of treating overseas MU supporters as schitt on their shoe, they will include them in the worldwide campaign to take back their club.

The TV rights issue isn't going to be resolved if MU supporters mount a serious anti-Glazer campaign which puts the TV income in doubt.

What a load of rubbish United's funding streams don't rely on a few supporters refusing to turn up to games.

As for the individual TV deals, the amount of money that could be money made from attendances would be infinitesimal.

United are simply reaping what they had sown,. If you are on teh stock market, then you are fair game. When it was being used to raise money, they didn't whinge then.

The protests will fail as United fans have no power and no clue.



As for my club, I couldn't be happier. We beat a club that is fading faster than a t-shirt bought from Gorton Market. BTW thanks for the 'double'.

Re: Even More Football Chat : Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:07 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

So they simply came up with the idea and implemented it straight away. I don't buy it.

You only have to look at United's forums to see that the worry about the financial situation started when we came into money.

All the clued up Mancs I know have been worried about the financial problem long before City got a sugar daddy.

Re: Even More Football Chat : Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:12 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

The Green and Gold campaign only started when United were faltering at the beginning of the season and we were throwing money around.

If we get into the CL this summer (personally, I don't think we will make it) and go on a spending spree, can we expect the Norwich campaign to be 'cranked-up'?

Hope that was a WUM. Sadly it has taken the full scale of the amount the Glazer's are fleecing Utd fans to be put down in black and white in the bond issue for the majority to finally wake up to what is happening at Old Trafford.

As for any sort of boycott, I think the 'Red Knights' will have to reveal their plans to the supporters first before most supporters will consider boycotting.

Re: Even More Football Chat : Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:32 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

What a load of rubbish United's funding streams don't rely on a few supporters refusing to turn up to games.

But I'm not talking about a *few* supporters refusing to turn up for games. I'm talking about 30,000+, for a few matches at least.

As for the individual TV deals, the amount of money that could be money made from attendances would be infinitesimal.

And if that is the case, then the United fans whining about their debts are obviously wrong, because the extra income they will bring in in the future will easily cover their debts.

United are simply reaping what they had sown,. If you are on teh stock market, then you are fair game. When it was being used to raise money, they didn't whinge then.

I agree totally. I've said it before, many times.

The protests will fail as United fans have no power and no clue.

They obviously have power. It's only a question of whether enough of them can be persuaded to use the power.

As for my club, I couldn't be happier. We beat a club that is fading faster than a t-shirt bought from Gorton Market. BTW thanks for the 'double'.

Top of the league, still in the Champions League, still in the FA Cup. All you've got to play for is qualifying for the CL and you don't even think you can do that.

Re: Even More Football Chat : Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:56 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

So they simply came up with the idea and implemented it straight away. I don't buy it.

You don't have to but it's the truth.

Re: Even More Football Chat : Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:26 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

But I'm not talking about a *few* supporters refusing to turn up for games. I'm talking about 30,000+, for a few matches at least.

Will the Glazers care? They will still get the mathday income they expect. ST holders have paid for the game in advance, and those who don't turn up will be replaced by tourists or actual propoer fans who are from Trafford MBC.

And if that is the case, then the United fans whining about their debts are obviously wrong, because the extra income they will bring in in the future will easily cover their debts.

Indeed. But they are being naive. I will be amazed if within 5 years, clubs are not negotiating their own individual deals.

They obviously have power. It's only a question of whether enough of them can be persuaded to use the power.

A collective only has power if they have a collective intelligence and unity. It doesn't appear that teh fans have this.

Top of the league, still in the Champions League, still in the FA Cup. All you've got to play for is qualifying for the CL and you don't even think you can do that.

I said 'fading', not 'faded'. We'll give it a couple of years

As gutted as I am to say this, United will win the league. Even though they are not playing that well, they look, IMO, stronger and more robust than Chelsea at the moment.

FAO Man United Supporters : Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:31 pm  

As you are probably aware a campaign was recently started (Green and Gold) to try and rid our club of the Glazer ownership. This campaign has taken a significant turn this week with the news that a group of independent businessmen, and more importantly United fans are considering a bid for the club. MUST (Manchester United Supporters Group) are involved in this campaign and this is where we come in. We as fans need to push membership up as high as possible, 100,000 being the initial target. Membership is free and it will hopefully go towards helping the cause. You can join at the link below. http://action.joinmust.org/index.php/content/splash Mods, can we keep this away from the football chat as it is solely about one club and not really football related, thanks.

As you are probably aware a campaign was recently started (Green and Gold) to try and rid our club of the Glazer ownership. This campaign has taken a significant turn this week with the news that a group of independent businessmen, and more importantly United fans are considering a bid for the club. MUST (Manchester United Supporters Group) are involved in this campaign and this is where we come in. We as fans need to push membership up as high as possible, 100,000 being the initial target. Membership is free and it will hopefully go towards helping the cause. You can join at the link below. http://action.joinmust.org/index.php/content/splash Mods, can we keep this away from the football chat as it is solely about one club and not really football related, thanks.

Re: FAO Man United Supporters : Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:37 pm  

Fletcher-end-red wrote:

Mods, can we keep this away from the football chat as it is solely about one club and not really football related, thanks.

No. This isn't a Manchester United forum and this whole matter is being discussed in this thread as it is.