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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:11 pm  
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I see Ross Barkley has signed his 'Protect the club in return for them letting me go at an agreed point in the future' contract.

Where is he going then?


A Manchester club?
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:42 pm  
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Suarez's departure will have regressed Liverpool by a good few years, you can't possibly replace one of the world's best strikers and expect a season as good as the last one. I'd be willing to bet that Liverpool won't be in the top 4


I think most people would be willing to bet that, but nobody would have bet on Liverpool finishing top 4 last season, as most expected Spurs to be the only challengers for that place.

United may have a better manager but I still don't see a particularly better side. Their greatest strength for years has been their defence, they've lost Rio and Vidic who have great experience, they've lost Evra (not a great defender) who again has years of experience, and they've brought who in? Luke Shaw, a fantastic prospect, but will he fix their defensive woes? Not for me. They haven't strengthened the midfield defensively, they still have Valencia, Young and Nani on their books and they still look to be persisting with Rooney and RvP when, for me, the partnership just doesn't work that well.

Liverpool do look weaker, we definitely lack the player to make the difference in the big games, but I don't think people can underestimate Rodgers and his ability to improve people. I never considered Sterling an option at the start of last season, he's arguably our most consistent attacker now. Coutinho I felt could only play as a '10', but he's played midfield and shown a better all-round game. Sturridge was class last year, who's to say he's reached his ceiling? Who's to say any of our players have reached their ceiling? Suarez never arrived here a £75m player, I feel we've got some fantastic players on our books and the manager to make them even better. Who's to say Sterling won't get 20 next year? Coutinho won't get 15? Markovic won't get 15? I remember people saying all sorts when United let RvN leave the club, but Fergie put faith in Ronaldo and Rooney taking the mantle. I think Rodgers could do the same with Sturridge and Sterling.

Still, Liverpool's biggest weakness remains our full backs. So crucial to our play, but often our biggest liabilities defensively. We haven't signed any depth or even quality first choice players.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:30 pm  
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I see Ross Barkley has signed his 'Protect the club in return for them letting me go at an agreed point in the future' contract.

Where is he going then?


It's really that easy to see through, isn't it. A friend of mine retweeted Everton's tweet about it yesterday, and my only reply was 'AKA: moving to Citeh in 2015 then''. I haven't really missed the Premier League ans all the circus it brings
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:34 pm  
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A Manchester club?


He'll go to city and it'll ruin him.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:11 pm  
Saddened! wrote:
I see Ross Barkley has signed his 'Protect the club in return for them letting me go at an agreed point in the future' contract.

Where is he going then?


Nailed on for Chelsea, as soon as either Hazard or Oscar leave (Probably next summer) - The upcoming Lukaku deal will basically become a swap, with maybe a Chelsea reserve chucked in to balance things up.

We are already looking at getting Christian Atsu from Chelsea on loan for this season, so I'd reckon he will be the reserve in question, if he performs to a decent standard.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:26 am  
Not sure about 28m for lukaku.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:10 pm  
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Not sure about 28m for lukaku.


I think it's a decent deal. Another improved season and they'll make that back and then some next year. Regarding Barkley, let's be honest he's going to go for at least £50m when he goes, if Everton get Lukaku, another Chelsea player and £20m-£30m, they'll have done well, especially as there's profit to be made in Lukaku. I'm curious what it is the 'big' clubs don't like in him, as he'd done enough to get a chance IMO. More power to him, he'll be a much better player if he focuses on playing and he'll have plenty of time for CL football, there really is no rush.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:12 am  
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Not sure about 28m for lukaku.


Quite a bit too much.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:47 am  
32 goals in 66 Prem games is not a bad return at all.

If Everton decide to sell (Or he wants to leave) in a few years time, if he keeps up that goal rate they should make a decent profit on him.
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Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:35 am  
I think Everton overpaid for Lukaku. But I think they had to overpay for him or else they wouldn't have got him. If Everton hadn't paid as much as they did then CFC would have just kept him as back up for Costa and Torres.

I think his goalscoring rate is good and there's obviously a great deal of improvement because of his young age.

I think Lukuka's WBA/Everton goalscoring record is pretty much the same as Demba Ba's PL goalscoring record with West Ham and Newcastle. I think Lukaku would have probably struggled even more than Ba did in getting game time at CFC.

I think the transfer of Luke Shaw to United for around 30m, the transfer of Fellaini to United and Everton's valuation of Baines at around the same amount means that Everton can't plead poverty in trying to buy players that they clearly need.

I was 100% against the sale of Sturridge to the scousers. I thought we undersold him and underplayed him. Lukaku I couldn't care less about him going. He's never done anything at CFC and I've never really seen anything from him that ever suggests he can become a top level player. I think there's been a huge amount of hype surrounding him simply because he was a CFC player who we loaned out when our players weren't scoring. But IMO if Lukaku had been at Chelsea he'd have barely made it on to the pitch anyway.

On the F365 front page there was a poll to ask who would score the most this season between Costa, Lukaku and Torres. Lukaku won the poll, but IMO Costa will dwarf Lukaku's return.
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