Re: The Football Chat Thread : Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:28 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

"I don't know much about Everton, but I know it is a good club, always in the middle of the table.

Belter quote from Jelavic that.

Not fussed on what he knows/doesn't know about the club, he's here to do a job. Coming from Croatia via Rapid Vienna and Rangers he probably wouldn't. I'd rather have a bit of honesty than the usual 'I've always been a Liverpool fan, it's a dream to play here' shiite we hear when you sign a player

Andy Gilder wrote:

Here's a novel idea. Why not pick the best XI for each particular game, then decide who the captain is going to be out of that?

Why do we need to have a regular England captain, who then must be picked irrespective of form?

Was thinking similar reading Mike's posts there saying it should be Hart as he's guaranteed to play, nobody should be guaranteed a place in the national side. I like your idea but it won't happen.

[TimperleySaint]

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:16 pm  

You always have 1 player that is the leader of any team, maybe not the most gifted player on that team, but someone that will inspire and hopefully push that team on to victory. If you change the captain every game or every other game, you get no consistency, who are the players supposed to look to on the field for direction etc? What happens to the guy that was captain the last game but not the next when someone else is selected??

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:50 pm  

Mike Oxlong wrote:

You always have 1 player that is the leader of any team, maybe not the most gifted player on that team, but someone that will inspire and hopefully push that team on to victory. If you change the captain every game or every other game, you get no consistency, who are the players supposed to look to on the field for direction etc? What happens to the guy that was captain the last game but not the next when someone else is selected??

Maybe at school boy level. Are you telling me professional footballers, coached most days in the week, need direction when it comes to the match? Most of the time, direction comes from the sideline. The role of captain these days, IMO, is mostly a media thing and for approaching referees (allegedly). On the field, they do very little. If a team has players that need to look to somebody else for motivation, inspiration or direction, they should really consider selling those players.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:31 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

:lol: .....Good stuff.....Love the bit about Goodison being a bit of a shed (which I don't deny it is), but its ironic coming from a City fan, who had their ground given to them.

Also, the 'we-are-far-mightier-than-Everton' tone is amusing too......I don't think we were playing Gillingham in a Division 3 play off game not so long back, were we?....

Dan_FC wrote:

Absolutely priceless isn't it, once he's challenged on the comments he claims it isn't a serious blog. Pathetic.

It's the kind of tripe that EE would come out with. I love that we get help from referee's at Goodison I was delighted to beat them on the night, after reading that I'm even happier we did.

Fellas you do know that City site is a satire don't you? lol.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:33 pm  

Why not give the captaincy to Rooney to see if it'll help him to mature in the same way they did with Beckham? Yeah Rooney's a class A tool but so was Beckham and it benefitted him. It's an idea this not a proposal.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:44 pm  

McClennan wrote:

Why not give the captaincy to Rooney to see if it'll help him to mature in the same way they did with Beckham? Yeah Rooney's a class A tool but so was Beckham and it benefitted him. It's an idea this not a proposal.

If Rooney was going into the tournament banned, I think he'd get it to be honest. I think Capello does see him as captain material.

For me, I'd go for Scott Parker, has leadership experience, he probably defines where England are at currently and I think fans, journos & players will relate to him & his style.

Hart & Wilshire are the future and must both be considered future captains, Jones also. I'd look at Hart in a vice captain capacity with one eye on the future.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:52 pm  

JWP wrote:

If Rooney was going into the tournament banned,

Of course. My memory has abandoned detail like that.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:26 pm  

Why John Foley handcuffed himself to the posts at Goodison.

Why John Foley handcuffed himself to the posts at Goodison.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:40 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

"I don't know much about Everton, but I know it is a good club, always in the middle of the table.

Belter quote from Jelavic that.

Realistically, this move goes one of two ways - He does a James Beattie and fades into obscurity, or he does fantastically and in 12-24 months, he goes to Man Utd/Chelsea/Random rich club, for £15-20 million.

That's just the position Everton are in at present unfortunately, which for Jelavic is a stepping stone to something bigger.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:59 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Realistically, this move goes one of two ways - He does a James Beattie and fades into obscurity, or he does fantastically and in 12-24 months, he goes to Man Utd/Chelsea/Random rich club, for £15-20 million.

That's just the position Everton are in at present unfortunately, which for Jelavic is a stepping stone to something bigger.

For me, neither happens. I know there are never any rules in football, but just looking at the two clubs, it's clear as day Jelavic will have to do a lot to adapt. Kenny Miller was Messi-lite in the SPL, but he was a hopeless runner in England. Jelavic has no doubt shown an ability to score in Scotland, but you have to remember he's playing for a massive power over there that can the freedom to do as they like during games. English football is much more competitive and he'll get fewer chances playing for Everton than he did for Rangers, and he'll be expected to take most of them. For me, he'll struggle initially, if he works hard Moyes will keep faith in him and he may end up getting 10-15 goals next season for Everton, if he becomes frustrated and doesn't buy into the work ethic, he'll probably end up sold to Celtic.