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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:36 am  
Scholes is so great I think Bale and Parker should be stripped of their PotY awards and they should be awarded to Scholes instead.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:47 am  
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Scholes is so great I think Bale and Parker should be stripped of their PotY awards and they should be awarded to Scholes instead.


And he should be given a champions league winners medal for Saturday night because he is such a winner.

Paul Scholes could not tackle which means he wasn't a complete midfielder. Neeeeext.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:57 am  
I can't remember Zinedine Zidane being a top tackler.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:01 am  
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Dunno. Wasn't Nicky Butt England's best player at 1 of the tournaments and Owen Hargreaves at another? Doesn't mean they should have been selected in front of Scholes.


Butt had a good game against Denmark once if that's what you mean. Hargreaves has been very unlucky because he seemed to always perform when he played for England.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:03 am  
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I can't remember Zinedine Zidane being a top tackler.


I don't remember Scholes scoring in a Champions League final or winning the World Cup. So I guess that makes them even?
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:32 am  
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I don't remember Scholes scoring in a Champions League final or winning the World Cup. So I guess that makes them even?


You're right, he was sh*t. You know more than Lippi, Zidane, Blanc, Ferguson and the like. He was never a patch on "Super" Frank or Stevie G.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:14 am  
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Dunno. Wasn't Nicky Butt England's best player at 1 of the tournaments and Owen Hargreaves at another? Doesn't mean they should have been selected in front of Scholes.


But why is it Lampard that shouldn't have been picked, he was England's best player at the tournament whilst Gerrard played a horrific back pass to Zidane which lost England a game and did very little else.

I've always thought Scholes to be in the Barnes category, never quite the same player for his country as for his club, like Barnes with odd fantastic game thrown in.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:29 am  
Apparantley Sunderland have accepted a bid from Liverpool for Jordan Henderson.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:37 am  
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Butt had a good game against Denmark once if that's what you mean. Hargreaves has been very unlucky because he seemed to always perform when he played for England.


I don't know as I said before I don't follow a lot of International football but just seem to remember a number of people saying he was England's best player in a tournament.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:57 am  
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You're right, he was sh*t. You know more than Lippi, Zidane, Blanc, Ferguson and the like. He was never a patch on "Super" Frank or Stevie G.


If I had as much time on my hands as Flipper, I could easily pull off similar quotes made about a number of other players in the last 20 or 30 years. This is the age of hyperbole. Mainly driven on by the press. This is the same press (led by United fans like Steve Curry) who try to persuade us that Rooney is as good, if not better, than Messi.

Scholes was very good in a very good team. For England he was average. Nothing more, nothing less.

In terms of English midfielders, I would rather have had Gascoigne in my team. IMO a better all-round player.

There’s a thread on Red Café in which most United fans appear to claim that Scholes is the best midfielder of his generation. I can only assume that in Rag World, players like Xavi doesn’t exist. Xavi may be the same ‘generation’ as Scholes, but he is in a different stratosphere as a player.

IMO Scholes was a very good player but not one of the best players in the last 30 years or so. Zidane, Baresi, Messi, Maradona, Xavi, Ronaldihno, (real) Ronaldo and others were simply a different quality of player. In my lifetime, no English player has got close to any of these.
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